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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

People always talk about wanting to grow Lemmy, but honestly I like it a lot more the way it is. You can comment on a post that's been on All for 6 hours and still get plenty of thoughtful responses. On reddit, there was so much noise - especially on major threads - that commenting was like pissing into the wind.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I also choose this guy's comment!

Now make people restating it 800 times half the thread. Switched a few weeks ago, and honestly the fact I have yet to see the words heckin or wholesome, nor the annoying as fuck story style of banal metaphor they think is relatable and super clever, sounding like a chimichanga doused in tabasco making its emergency 3AM exit be known, has all sold me. Reddit seems to be a bunch of people who think they're super unique and progressive as they salivate over Marvel movies and rehash the same 9 political talking points, 50 posts, and 4 philosophy quotes they don't understand ad infinitum. It is reddit without redditors, and doesn't feel like it is curated by the DNC's PR department. What's not to love?

I think lemmy'd be ideal if it was double our triple its current size. Maybe just large enough to convince r/askhistorians to jump ship.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

I would say "^This" in jest but didn't want to traumatize you, so wrapped it in this sentence:-). But yeah, I decided to leave Reddit for good around the time of the protests. Fortunately I had Kbin (a now-defunct alternative to Lemmy, the project carried forward by Mbin and somewhat in spirit by PieFed which I am on now) to jump to, but seriously I was going to leave all that trash regardless. I did not enjoy what it was doing to me - like how argumentative and defensive I was having to become upon saying ANYTHING at all, and more often choosing not to respond in places like r/pop(ular) bc of the feedback that would inevitably come.

The Threadiverse (threaded-style defederated forum software, currently Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed) isn't perfect, but is so much better! It requires a ton more effort to set up than Reddit did (well, Lemmy does - check out PieFed's setup wizard and you'll never look back!:-P), yet unlike corporate enshittified Reddit is worth it. Breathe the free air here!

Also an interesting article to read about the addictive effects that such platforms engender in their unwitting participants: https://medium.com/@max.p.schlienger/the-cargo-cult-of-the-ennui-engine-890c541cebcb .

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The solution on that on Reddit has been, retreat into more niche communities, remove default subs from your feed. Right now the way to make Lemmy usable is to browse All, because otherwise there isn't enough content, but I bet as it grows it will go the same way.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

For Lemmy that's what I used to do yeah, bc there was no better option.

PieFed offers numerous additional options though, most especially categories of communities, including user customizable and shareable Feeds. You can even have your cake and eat it too - like subscribe to no political communities to avoid them showing up in your Subscribed, but then it's a click away in the News and Politics Topic area. Or, the keywords filter options (for e.g. "Trump", "Musk", or whatever you want) include All, None, and Some, allowing you to refine your Subscribed feed to meet your interest level in a particular subject.

And then for very low-volume communities, you can even set up Notification triggers upon every new post (I also use this for a community I mod using a Lemmy alt) - e.g. poetry tends to not be highly upvoted so super difficult to catch organically on either All or Subscribed (you might have more luck there sorting by New, but this requires blocking a TON of communities like for sports and individual locations and such).

PieFed really is an entirely different experience than Lemmy! Maybe as it becomes successful, the Lemmy devs may start to port the features over? But it's doubtful, as existing requests have languished for like 5 years already - PieFed's being written in Python rather than Rust really makes a difference in such matters.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I think there's a lot of development going on with the lemmy UI, for example the lemm.ee developer has next.lemm.ee for his new UI design beta. I'm looking out for a golden age of lemmy UI development where everyone's copying each other's functionality and they all continually improve until it ends up being about whichever interface personally prefer, like we had with 3rd party reddit apps.

To be clear to others, though, PieFed is itself its own lemmy instance first, but it's open source so works as an example UI that could be implemented by any other instance. Every instance of lemmy is potentially different, not just in which version of lemmy code they use but any number of modifications the instance admin may choose to apply.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 minutes ago

No, PieFed is not in any way Lemmy. Maybe you are thinking of Tesseract, the alternative Lemmy front-end? See e.g. https://t.lemmy.world/ or https://t.lemmy.dbzer0.com/.

PieFed is an entirely different implementation of the ActivityPub protocol, similar to Mbin (and Kbin before it), and the Sublinks project that hasn't seen updates in a long while (the developer had a baby:-). PieFed has its own UI, with many themes and configuration elements (normal vs. compact vs. super compact mode, as well as List vs. Tile vs. Wide Tile display of posts), and app support in Interstellar and a not-official-yet fork of Thunder.

Those two apps also support Lemmy and the former also supports Mbin. So a lot of these things are interchangeable, but what I want to convey here is that PieFed is an alternative back-end, not merely a new UI for "Lemmy" (bc with those apps someone can have the same UI they are already used to, but swap out a Lemmy instance with a PieFed one).

And that's important to have another source of these forum/thread based software, bc otherwise development gets stagnated and locked in to a single dev teams viewpoint. e.g. Lemmy is actually more authoritian than Reddit itself is in a number of ways - yes there is a modlog, but there is no modmail, no notification of a moderation event, no ability to contact a mod, nor even a way to know which mod did it when the modlog (if you even noticed that your content was affected and went looking) simply says it was a "mod" who did it. Lemmy offers enormous freedom to instance admins, who typically offer much freedom to moderators, but individual users have actually fewer "rights" than on Reddit - e.g. again the right to even be told that your content was removed, or to ask someone why.

In contrast, PieFed offers a very large set of features designed for democratization of moderation, e.g. keyword filtering, labels placed next to user account names (example: this account is less than two weeks old, or this account posts ten times more often than comments so may be an unregistered bot, or this account receives and gives ten times more downvotes than upvotes so is a highly contentious/toxic user), all designed to put the power of choosing what content goes where in the hands of the end user, rather than require moderator decisions for each and every tiny matter.

i.e. Lemmy was designed by people kicked out of Reddit for being too toxic to be a less feature-complete replacement for that exact experience, whereas PieFed in contrast is blazing new ground that even Reddit had not bothered to offer such things to their users (all new features on Reddit for years now have been designed to maximize profits, not make users happy with what they are seeing, very unfortunately). Even if you choose not to use it (yet? although I challenge anyone to go through the sign-up wizard process and not become enthused by what you see), it's really quite an exciting project!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

So you can easily subscribe to everything but exclude certain topics, is that what you mean? I have a subscribed feed but there's too many new communities I might want to see and too much work to subscribe to everything, so I do it the other way by blocking things instead and browsing all. The main thing I don't like about PieFed on first glance is that the image thumbnails are quite large and only one or a few posts are shown on the screen at once if they are image posts, seems very mobile focused, is there a way to change that in the settings? I prefer to only open images after reading the title and deciding I want to look at it, then closing it again so there are more posts simultaneously on the screen.

It's cool that it uses Python, I like using Python and dislike working in low level languages.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 40 minutes ago

So I never used it but apparently Reddit has this feature of multi-communities, which the only way to really replicate that on Lemmy is to have many many many accounts on several different instances, each one dedicated to a different topic. Like on one you could have it be dedicated to news and politics while on all the others you could block those, thus allowing you to get your fix but only when you so choose.

This highly-requested feature (which might make it Lemmy eventually but iirc someone said that it has been on the roadmap or perhaps it was just a feature request on GitHub for five years already) is available all within a single account on PieFed. PieFed lacks a little bit of polish compared to Lemmy, but also has more functionality, in areas like this. It's more "experimental" than Lemmy then, and being in Python is going to catch up a heck of a lot sooner. I suppose there's a question of how well Python would work at large scales of millions of people in comparison to Rust, except looking at subscriber numbers for the entire Fediverse including even Mastodon, that's really not a concern for now, and the way things are going (e.g. look at Bluesky snapping up people who refuse both X and Mastodon, and love its fully featured UI) may never be a concern in the future either.

I spent a year on Lemmy learning how to curate my feed, and in like a week on PieFed realized that the vast majority of that is unnecessary here. e.g. when you sign up for a new account, the wizard asks you what your interests are and then pre-subscribes you to communities based on your answers (ofc you can always leave them later and add new ones continually). It also asks what keywords you may want to block, like "Trump" or "Musk", and offers not only All or None, but also Some. It's really quite amazing how well it's all handled!:-)

What you are saying about image sizes sounds at a guess like Tile or even Wide Tile mode, which if a community looks like mostly images I suppose it may default to? Whereas other communities and topic areas reading the titles is more helpful, so for those it defaults to "List" mode. (Although I'm not sure if that's simply a stored setting or based on measurement of things like image size to title width or some such). See for instance News and Politics where the thumbnails are smaller, as opposed to [email protected] where they take up a much wider space.

I don't like the very recent change making it harder to switch these settings by adding in another click required, but the developers are extremely open to feedback and if others think similarly then it may be changed yet again, possibly in mere days to weeks (rather than Lemmy's timeframe of multiple years).

There is also app support in Interstellar and a fork (not yet official but still in testing) of Thunder. Though the webpage view is quite fine as it is, usually:-).

Speaking of, I just noticed a new Settings option for "compact UI", with numerous values, which completely change how [email protected] looks (no image previews, in Firefox on Android, not sure how desktop and other browsers would handle it), and an even tighter setting removes vertical spacing as well to fit more posts into a denser space - exactly as you wanted!:-)

I bet if you go through the sign-up wizard, you'll be entirely sold on it:-) https://piefed.social/ is the experimental flagship instance, but there are several other options available as well.

lemmy.dbzer0.com is a damn fine instance as well, with very solid admins, it's only drawback being that it's still using Lemmy, which especially for established users (who have already learned how to block stuff and navigate to existing communities) is mostly fine. But damn, PieFed is so exciting how it's developing new features monthly! Definitely worth following if nothing else (although for me, this is my main now:-).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

i can see the same thing, things that have been published for hours see steady activity, even some which are lively for a good few days, it feels less like flitting between a bunch of new things which is useful