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Transitioning in STEM (mander.xyz)

submitted 1 day ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

shut the fuck up and listen

But dont need to turn off your brain. There are plenty of dumb trans people out there and you can find a trans person to represent any position.

Is there one gender friendlier to trans people?

I doubt it. It depends. I mean, women are friendlier, in general. It depends. And trans men are more likely to be "passing" living stealth. So its a different thing. I hardly know what anyone thinks of trans people unless I ask, because 99% of interactions I have are as presumed cis.

One thing I know is that everyone loves men. Cis men, trans men, doesnt matter. People value men. This is why all kinds of anti trans horseshit specifically targets trans women. In the UK recently there was a ruling about the definition of "woman" as it relates to trans women. But no definition of "man". Why! Why are only women subject to such shit. Trans men are implicitly pulled in and adversely affected but women are the ones who have the law about their bodies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

In the UK recently there was a ruling about the definition of "woman" as it relates to trans women. But no definition of "man". Why!

I think that's also largely because it's women who feel vulnerable with men in their 'intimate'/'private' places like bathrooms or sleeping spaces - not so much for men. So questions like, "will the prison rules make this person share a room with me on the basis of their self-identification as a woman" are more of a concern for women than for men.

And of course efforts aimed at elevating women in e.g. STEM. If you have a women's tech group, or a women's gaming group, giving special help to women because their gender puts them at a disadvantage, do you, should you, must you, include trans women? That's going to come up about women not about men. Men's groups of these days tend to be much less relevant.

I agree the ruling should have considered both genders equally though. Actually, does it not? Or was it just the discussion, not the actual ruling, that was all women-focused not men?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

It is only about trans women. The discussion, the case etc. As usual.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cvgq9ejql39t

It came about after the Scottish government included transgender women in quotas to ensure gender balance on public sector boards.

Trans women experience all the opposite of what trans men do. Their status plummets on transition. They experience more violence abuse and harassment than cis men, trans men or cis women. The idea of excluding them from women's stuff is ignorant.

As to people "feeling safe", people "feel unsafe" for lots of reasons. Differences in perceived race, sexual orientation, disabilities so forth. Perceived gender variance is only one reason. Should we segregate sleeping spaces by race?

On the other hand, I guess I can take advantage of these things and these spaces?? I'm assigned female at birth. I'm a biological woman?? Nobody would guess to look at me. And as I've been saying I've had many years of male privilege. But if we're checking documents, well nobody can argue with me if I want to. Nor with the OP.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

Interesting, cheers mate.