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Transitioning in STEM (mander.xyz)

submitted 1 day ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Followup: https://www.tumblr.com/beemovieerotica/781112056881496064/it-becomes-really-apparent-what-peoples-thought?redirect_to=%2Fbeemovieerotica%2F781112056881496064%2Fit-becomes-really-apparent-what-peoples-thought

More: https://www.thetransmitter.org/spectrum/ben-barres-transgender-scientist-shares-story/

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[+] [email protected] -43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You are going out of your way to poke holes in someone describing a very rare and valid view that demonstrates the discrepancy gender presentation gives in lived experience, and how it follows well tested sexist trends by holding their tumblr post to the standard of a scientific paper.

I used a scientific approach in the science memes community. You don’t seem to care about actual science. You’re going out of your way to believe pseudo science in the name of being kind to someone.

Do better.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I used a scientific approach in the science memes community.

The issue is that your application of "the scientific approach" is to dismiss the entire field of research up to now, and demand that OP prove their point from first principles. It's not a reasonable response to what they posted.

What we're seeing here is an example of how it's possible to be both right and very wrong at the same time.

You don’t seem to care about actual science.

...and the second issue is that you're now attacking the integrity of the people calling you out on it, for no clear benefit other than to put them down. Go back and read Rule #1.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 22 hours ago

read the personal attack I was responding to in which the person closed with “do better”?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Have you ever utilized a case study in your work? The value of research is in having a variety of things to pull from. All you're doing is writing up the considerations page and slapping on the cover.

Whats your agenda in doing so?

[+] [email protected] -25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

My only “agenda” is intellectual honesty and scientific reproducibility.

Drawing from the experiences on trans test subjects to prove a hypothesis about sexism between CIS males and females is the very definition of a biased study.

I’m happy to discuss OP’s hypothesis for a study on sexism against trans people in a study using trans test subjects… but that’s not what this is, is it?

Do better.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My opinion is that including trans people in this sort of study actually reduces the bias, because they're the only people who will have experienced the social impacts of presenting both male and female at different times. All cis-gendered people will be inherently biased towards their own limited experience.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

That’s a good point. Certain types of studies would be improved by this type of diversity.