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Sounds a lot like the “both sides are the same” argument with more steps. If people voted left wing then the politicians would go left wing.
republicans never vote for democrats, yet democrats never stop chasing their votes.
the left wing are far more reliable than the republicans whose votes centrists envy. And their votes are actually gettable. You know their issues.
They really are the same though and no this isn't some demoralization post. People always get pissed on here because they think it's propaganda or something. There is no meaningful difference between Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell outside of the performatives. It's a joke.
Trans people: am I a joke to you?
Seriously. Harris would have been a lot better for me personally. My life is not a performance.
As a nonbinary person myself, you’d think trans people wouldn’t throw the entire global south under the bus to keep themselves (and by proxy, this system) safe and secure, but rather stand against the system that causes all this death. It’s no surprise that reaping the benefits of exported fascism will eventually bring that fascism home.
Neither the Dems nor the Reps are left. Further, that isn't how electoralism works, parties don't change their position if they recieve mass support, but if they don't, and only up to the extent their donors allow. In the US, this means Capitalists, ergo the Dems will never be a Leftist party.
Dems could become a left wing party if that's where voters wanted them. They would lose their donors, yes, so the reps would become the much better funded party.
But if voters voted for left wing candidates there is nothing the donors or centrist politicians could do about it. It would be a generational project, winning primaries and general elections, but it could be done.
They do want them to be, and Dems proved they'd rather lose an election then let that happen.
This is wrong. Even a compromise candidate like Bernie was colluded against, the party will only act in its own interests. It isn't a democratic party, it's one fully oriented towards resisting radical change.
He wasn’t colluded against, he just got millions fewer votes.
Explained in my other reply to you.
Yes the Democratic party is oriented towards resisting change. You act like the people have no power, no say. If you think the votes are rigged please explain how.
Voters do have a say. Republican voters wanted someone more extreme than milqtoast mitt Romney, and they got it in Trump. They wanted republican congresspeople that would support Trump instead of obstruct him like McCain. They got them.
Democratic leadership can make it hard for leftists to win, but they aren't changing vote totals. If Americans voted for leftists in primaries for mayor and city council there would eventually only be leftists running for Congress and eventually a leftist would win the nominee for president.
Money is a tool, it's not mind control.
That's why I vote third party.
In 2016, the Clinton campaign shut down polling favoring Bernie. In 2020, the campaign was swaying towards Bernie, but all of the moderates dropped out and rallied around Biden. The primaries aren't truly democratic.
Even if a Leftist made it to office, the party would not rally around them. The entire system is designed against change, and the preservation of the interests of Capital.
Really, you're making the case for third party voting, as technically a third party win is possible, and would allow a Leftist in.
Glad to see you endorsing voting third party
Did not say that. If everyone kept voting left then both parties would move left.
When both parties are right, and most voters stay home, isn't that the same thing?
You keep talking about "voting left" as if voters are given that option. Harris could have run on corralling big business. Does anyone think that "Almost as hard on immigrants as Republicans" was a better platform than running against billionaires?
LMAO
Yeah, so people should vote left, which means voting third party