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And you want to give the state the power to get rid of any group it deems undesirable? Or do you want to break the law to get rid of them yourself? This protest is the sign that the majority will not go along with fascist talking points, it makes clear that those talking points have no space in public discourse. This is how democracy is supposed to work.
The state already has the power to get rid of any group that seeks to destabilize our democratic system. This is a very central part of our constitution (see article 9, 18, 20 or 21). It's basically a way to deal with the paradox of tolerance, if you're not familiar with that concept here's the wikipedia definition:
Ultimately, it is within the law to personally get rid of a group that wants to destroy our free and democratic system:
This is usually interpreted as including physical violence.
That one.
If they get power, they'll make it legal to do it to you. There won't be any protests like this going on.
Ah, I see. On the one hand here's a green light and all you need to do is point it out to people. On the other there's a green light and you're saying "fuck the system, let's go 200m down the road where the light is red and cross there".
No need to break the law, it's in the German constitution:
Good luck achieving nothing then.
A dead nazi achieves a lot more than a living one.
So how many nazis have you killed? Why so few?
Iβm not German?
That's a lame excuse, there are nazis everywhere.
The Nazis here meet in random places like mountain ranges at night time and the rare time they pop-up in protests itβs with police protection and unannounced beforehand.
So more excuses. I start to get the feeling you are not very serious about killing Nazis - you just like to sound tough and superior on the internet.
Yeah okay budπ
Sorry for hurting your feelings, mate.
Oh fucking so hurt, like really a rando on the Internet who is cool with Nazis was mean to me. I feel so bad.
Seems ridiculous, but true. By the way, by your own definition, you are cool with Nazis too, since you killed zero Nazis and let them even have nice gatherings in forests and mountains - perfect place to assault people if you ask me.
Yeah rando Nazis hiding in the shadows is totally the same as a political party full of them openly in public. You're a bloody fucking genius mate.
How do you think it started in Germany? Much easier to get them now than to wait till they gain some power like they did in Germany.
Going trough your comments, it gets clear that you are just into simplistic black and white thinking and solutions that sound easy. So a perfect target for populist. For some reasons you just happen to stumble on the more right side of history, without any understanding why nazis are bad. I'm not even sure you know what nazis are. But for sure, why don't just all good guy come together an kill all the bad guys?
I'm action orientated against decades of inaction by representative governments captured by corporate interests, crazy that.
Almost like we're heading towards the extinction of our species or something, and we have people like you defending these problems with a "just wait until it gets even worse" approach to taking urgently needed action.
I don't even need to go through your profile to know what sort of person you are, it's quite telling from this miserable conversation.
So what are you doing?
Like I say, you think in simple extremes. But there is actually quite some room, between kill nazis and do nothing. And again - you are the one arguing to wait till it gets worse yourself - since you don't want to kill the nazis in your country until they are in power.
I know, you have the unique ability to form an opinion without any information.
Yeah rightio mate.
Again, sorry for hurting you feelings, dude. Must suck to not be able to deal with the smallest blow back.
What a perfectly fascist way of thinking.
No.
A tolerant society cannot allow intolerance, thatβs not fascism.
Thatβs not what youβre saying at all, though. You said:
You are arguing with a 14 year old who wants to sound tough over the internet. Or at least I hope.
Yeah, and?
I understand your longing for immediate action and I share the emotional need to cut off the snake's head sooner than later. Those who break the social contract of tolerance for each other should not be protected by it. Unfortunately it is a matter of fact that violence will always spiral out of control. First you just want to get rid of the fascists. Assume you succeed and don't get reprimanded by law. Then you know how to get rid of someone and can act on it. What stops you to get to your rivals that want to strip you from your new found power? Chances are real you drift off into dictator mannerisms yourself.
The only way to not become what you try to eliminate is not to use excessive violence to begin with. Use the law. Use intimidating mass demonstrations. Use social pressure by making their views unspeakable again. Be better, stand for your values, organize with like minded folk and don't play into the stereotype of left groups always splittering into incapable small groups that cannot cooperate and coordinate
You assume that murdering people is somehow addictive. That is not true for sane people. See for example soldiers or self defense situations. The other commenter is right that sane people will stop being violent, once the threat is eliminated. Even some absolute psychos will only kill while it's acceptable and go back to suppress their desire for violence when it no longer is acceptable by their scociety.
At sone point violence may be the only way to defend freedom and democracy. However, I disagree with the other commenter that the time is now.
You can't both be sane and be ok with killing.
Depends how you define βsaneβ
I should have worded it better - violence is the easy way. Easy is tempting. It's harder to debate with people. Inherently better, no doubt! It's a pattern in history that the number of people in power being corrupted by it is not low. Admittedly, not unfathomable high either, but it happens.
Last, sanity can slip in extreme situations and this, hopefully fictional, scenario is extreme in my book