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What if the government is like Reddit? We move to lemmy to get away from their influence and to have our own values.
Why does this not make sense when it comes to politics? Communities are captured by network effects. It's an uphill battle to make things right if the idiots have to be dragged along.
Even when it comes to racism, let people be racist somewhere. Let them live their miserable life while there is no need to waste resources on making them treat all humans with respect. However, unlike the North after the war, help those who are stuck with them, to get away.
What?
No.
Where exactly is that supposed to happen? And how do you envision this working? You want us to enable a state run entirely by people who are racist and violent and give them their own place to do whatever they want? What exactly do you propose we do with the folks who live wherever this is already? Because it seems like in your scenario their choices are leave or live with racist assholes. Have you not even heard of Israel? Or are you just a racist fan of genocide?
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If it is not a matter of principles, what is so bad about moving as long as you are supported? When done right, things should be better than living with assholes.
Good point. There is just no need to support that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism
Okay. How does kicking a bunch of people off their land so you can have your own extra-white version of Israel fit into that?
Not at all. If Israel were a libertarian country with a non-aggression principle then they wouldn't do it.
My understanding is that the freedom of each person has to be protected or everthing falls back to tribalism where everybody has to seek membership in a group to be protected.
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... So do you not see how you're advocating for an aggressive removal of people to make room for violent colonizers? You know, like Israel?
I said moving, not being moved or forced. Is there something wrong with moving if it is not forced?
Okay. I'll play along. Who / what country are you going to get to willingly give up their homes and land and everything that is included in that? With what resources will you ensure they are taken care of in... wherever they're being deported to? Where, by the way, is that? I'm sure you've thought that far ahead if you're serious about this. What will you do if someone doesn't want to go from their home? I'm certain you have a non - genocidal answer, because you seem pretty sure this is happening peacefully. What about disabled and elderly folks that can't travel at all let alone move to another country? You wouldn't be suggesting eugenics and race based large scale ethnic cleansing obviously.
I am not talking about Israel because it is obviously not a libertarian country.
In a libertarian country, people can move to different cities. Since it's libertarian, those who profit from the move have to pay for it. People will only move if they are paid enough.
Okay, what libertarian country is that?
Do I have to tell you that there is none?
No. Obviously that's my point. Hence all the questions I asked about location... You know, for when you start your racist eugenics based colonization project. The ones you ignored? Remember?
You mean in the "Okay. I’ll play along..." comment?
So you want to say that a discussion about libertarianism is mood because there is no such country right now and thus will never be, because not everybody will agree to libertarianism?
Good argument. I guess that's why Musk is dreaming of mars.
Lol. No. That's why I am challenging your racist eugenics based dystopia/utopia (depending on frame of reference) idea by asking logistics questions that you appear unable to answer because this is fiction. Please don't insult me by pretending like that is equivalent to disparaging libertarianism as an ideology or even speaking on the salience of discussing libertarianism as a system for running a country. You're alleging that this idea of yours is libertarianism, sort of, not me. Which by the way it really isn't. Libertarianism =/= "I can be racist and take others land in order to avoid having to follow the laws, social and governmental, of the rest of society". It's not your "colonizer card". I don't even consider myself a libertarian BTW (never have) but this is just too stupid.
Edited to add: this is not a defence of libertarianism or libertarians/libertarian voters. Thats a whole mess I gladly stay away from.
Let's stop here. I agree.
Okay. I don't believe you but no problem.