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Well said. I don't think new Trek has been too "woke" (whatever that means because no one can define it). The only one that was over the top was that kid who was non-Trill that had a symbiont. For being in the 31st century (or whatever) they focused too much on his they/them nonsense. You're not suppose to mention it. When you make a thing of it, it doesn't come across as normal. That's like TOS making a big deal of a black woman working on the bridge. Sure, in reality it was a big deal at the time, but being set in the 23rd century it should be normal by then.
New Trek sucks for all the reasons you said. God awful writing, poor dialog, and plenty of bad actors. No character development. I can only remember a few characters names from Discovery. The rest I just physically describe: chick with metal on half of face, robot chick, darked haired guy and blonde chick who stood in the back of the bridge sometimes, and chick with African name.
I only continued to watch it for Stamets (after he chilled out), Saru, and Georgiou.
*their, not his
And it was a scene of, what, 30 seconds where they stated what their pronouns were, then it was never mentioned again? How is that focusing too much on it?
Unless everyone's a mind reader, nobody's going to know what a person's pronouns are unless they tell them. They did, and that was that.
It was several scenes. Mostly between the doctor and Stamets. More than "30 seconds".
No other character stated their pronouns, so how am I supposed to know everyone elses? The same way people figured it out since day 1. And here's an easy way for us to know. Other characters can call him by it, and then we'll know. Not everything has to be outright stated on camera for the audience to figure it out.
I'm only aware of this scene. What others are there? Stamets misgenders them at 0:09 and they're done with the scene around 0:48, so you're right, it was about 40 whole seconds.
I am frequently just... astonished to be honest, how often it's repeated that it was a "major plot arc" or "multiple scenes" when it was, (as you pointed out) so brief. And it doesn't ever seem to sway anyone's opinion when this fact is pointed out!
"They made an entire episode about nonbinary people"
"The one in TNG?"
"No, Discovery"
"There was a single 40 second scene"
"Are you trolling? It was shoved down our throats"
Its funny because while we gloss over it today, this is how shocking uhara just being on the bridge was to people, or the shatner kiss. Like people were still being murdered and lynched for interracial relationships and even in northern cities we had red lining and racial violence. The big trans arc is a minor scene. With a person who also literally and unsubtly has memories of being MULTIPLE sexes and genders.
Its so shocking for some people it stands out. Even if they arent overt bigots being exposed to it rubs them a certain way.
I kind of get where some people are coming from if they're (in good faith) saying that by that time Adira should just be matter-of-factly correctly Stamets rather than acting uncomfortable, but here's the thing: the show might take place in the future, but it was made in 2020. Star Trek has always addressed the social issues of its time in a way that plays to the audience.
And hell, plenty of people are uncomfortable correcting others in general, regardless of the reason.
Yes exactly! I am reminded of this TikTok if you haven't seen it yet.
For the sake of argument (and I don't care enough to go digging), let's say it was no more than 40 seconds, but you didn't respond to the rest of my comment so I'll assume you're in agreement.
You assume incorrectly. So in conclusion, a 40 second scene is the show "focusing too much on they/them 'nonsense,'" since it's the only part that addresses it.
Maybe they didn’t respond to the second half of the comment because, even though they had just corrected your pronoun misuse, you did it right away again.
You know you’re never going to get any hard evidence other than surface-level stuff that they can get from their bigot blogs, because bigots hate actually engaging with media.
I do know. But I think it's worth calling out the absurdity regardless.
YouTube is a big part of it too. I sometimes wonder how many people skip the episode and go straight for the rage bait.