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Oh, come on. About 90 million people listened to everyone and their (non-conservative) mother say how this might be the most important election, Trump won't give up his power, they're going to enact Project 2025, it'll be nothing but a revenge tour, they're fascists, a second Trump administration is an existential threat to this country, Trump is compromised, this administration will end American democracy, the people who stood in his way last time aren't around any more, etc... 90 million people heard this... then still chose to stay home and let this happen. I'm sorry Biden/Harris didn't sweep us off our feet, but we deserve this. Don't you dare say we "tried" voting against it.
If Did Not Vote had been a candidate:
https://i.redd.it/ne5nmguwlqzd1.png
You're still under the illusion that Biden/Harris and the Americans history of voting for their fascist enabling policies isn't what lead us to where we are now.
My sister in Satan...they enabled a genocide.
You do. I don't.
Im copying a response i left to another comment in this thread because it is relevant and people need to wake up and figure out what’s really going on instead of believing our government is still democratic when the writing has been on the wall for decades
We can agree that our entire political system has been corrupted by money? Right?
What makes people naively believe that our electoral processes have not been corrupted in the same exact way? Some delusional belief in American democratic exceptionalism?
In germany their highest court decided that electronic voting is unconstitutional because it is impossible to differentiate between fraudulent results and legitimate ones for laypeople/anyone who isnt a cybersecurity or IT expert.
Both parties are fascist albeit to differing degrees but both parties blatantly exhibit 13 of 14 traits of fascist regimes. The one trait they can claim plausible deniability in regards to is fraudulent elections. But if our corporate owned leaders have allowed our society to disintegrate to fascism 93% of the way then its pretty illogical to believe they would stop short and work diligently to prevent the last 7% from reaching that point.
There is the Princeton study done within the lasy 2 decades that concluded the amount of influence one has on our political system and any legislated policy is directly proportional to the amount of wealth you have with regular working class people having a statistically near zero irrelevant amount of influence on any policy regardless of how popular or unpopular it may be. Since lewis f powell’s pro corporate supreme court decisions paved the way for citizens united and the erosion of our constitutional republic and its comprising democratic elements it has now become apparent for anyone paying attention that every aspect of our political system is for sale to the highest bidder and most likely the reality is that our presidential elections are rigged and have been since at least reagan. But even before then there was likely corruption involved since it is pretty much a historical fact that jfk won the presidency in no small part due to a backroom deal his father made with the mafia because of the connections he had made during his time establishing a bootleging empire during prohibition.
Well, you can't vote fascists out, but historically speaking they've always been voted IN. Authoritarianism is always a degeneration of liberalism. When people get fat and lazy, shit like this happens. Weak men creating hard times ect.
Actually it's strong men not getting cut down. The problem is concentration of power. "They were too weak and lazy to stop hitler2" This idea is a memetic weapon to make it appears it's the people who are being stepped on that are at fault, rather than the plainly obvious empowered elites just letting go of any restraints, buying "democracy" outright and then blaming the oppressed for their oppression.
The voting in the US is literally predetermined during redistricting and as real as the outcome of Wrestlemania so not sure what you're talking about
Trump won the popular vote, all excuses are off this time.
You can't redistrict the electoral college.
Districts still matter when it comes to voter suppression measures. Less polling stations, requiring voters vote only in their district, purging voters, etc.
You sort of can by adding new states, which has been done before, splitting existing states into 2 to get more senators and electoral college votes. It is harder to keep this hidden though.
We get told this every election, but then democrats cooperate with republicans every step of the way. Most recently, democrats had an opportunity to force a government shutdown and use that as leverage against the republicans, but instead they instantly folded like they always do. I recognized this pattern when Obama promised hope and change but then mostly continued Bush's policies when he got elected (e.g. corporate bail-outs, deportations, and warmongering). Democrats follow republicans as they journey further and further to the right.
Sheldon S. Wolin talked about the fact that the US system was a "managed democracy" and a form of "inverted totalitarianism" in his book Democracy Inc about twenty years ago. In a managed democracy the pretense of democratic voting is maintained, but the system is so heavily managed as to render voting ineffective and largely irrelevant. The US voting system is so heavily gamed that to expect the average US citizen to have any power through the ballot box is laughable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guided_democracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
This is a pretty decent overview of the ideas in that book for anyone who is interested.
So you think it's right to blame people who did what they could? Just because others voted against them? Prick.
Wow, personal insults, classy. And "people who did what they could"...? Are we reading the same words?? I'm calling out my fellow Americans who decided not to do all they could. Those who literally didn't do the absolute minimum to prevent all of this: gestures broadly at the everything by voting. And I'm not acting above it or anything. Maybe I should have done more outreach? Apparently we didn't hammer home the dire consequences clearly enough...?
Still, what in my rant makes you think I'm targeting anyone who made any effort at all?? I'm saying to people who did nothing: they and we need to do better. We literally won't have a country anymore otherwise...
Mate you personally insulted every American. I'm an American. Don't get mad at tit for tat.
You said we all deserve this.
There's no insults here. Obviously. Like it or not, we as a country are in this together, so we have to do better. Until then, we deserve this until we can get off our asses.
you're making it really fun to own you. thanks for siding with the fascists.
What kind of inferiority complex makes people claim they "own" others that they disagree with?
the kind that comes from being the one person on earth your mom said 'no' to.
See, this stuff with putting other people down, it just makes me wonder if there's not anything in your own life to feel positive about? Like, what are you proud of, for yourself?
no, see, it's nominally a 'your mom' joke, but the punch line is that even she made an exception for me, because im (depending on how SFW and sentimental you want to make it) unlovable/unfuckable.
and those last two are very different questions with very different answers.
Yeah, I get that, but you're avoiding the question: what are you proud of, for yourself?
there's a list. the stuff that wouldn't dox me and isn't either a crime, or likely to be a crime pretty soon, or effectively a crime even if there's never been a law against it?
I've saved a few peoples lives. or played a substantial role I'm not confident someone else would and could have in doing so.
I've done a lot of hospice. a few of them recovered, which I'm proud of despite it absolutely not being my doing. I think it's kind of reflexive, which is also something I'm pretty proud of.
I'm a really fucking good cook.
my concept of love is I think a lot less fucked by existing power structures than most, and given where I come from; I think putting anything that wasn't 99% abuse together was pretty long odds.
I have a pretty good sense of humor, and I'm a pretty good writer when I have my shit remotely together.
I'm ridiculously hard to kill. I have healed from a lot of stuff that would make most people give up. or at least survived it, in the case of some of the emotional shit. I can't really talk about a lot of stuff I've been through with people, or show too much skin, or people get really upset and can't look at me. mixed feelings on that one, but pride's in there.
you?
Excellent. Thanks for answering. This was really worth asking and I think that there's ocean of good in you. I'm intrigued by "likely to become a crime pretty soon" but don't feel you have to elaborate.
well, if you want an easy example: just go hand food to someone who looks like they don't have a house. I don't know if it's illegal yet, but it will be soon.
uh, so, have you ever actually looked at some of the stuff in the ocean? both the absolute fucking nightmare creatures, and the absolute fucking nightmare chemicals? oceans are not good places. don't go in them. they do not love you.
...maybe accurate, but not sure it's praise.
(I meant it as a compliment.)
Dystopian.
In the UK, former Prime Minister Liz "crash the economy within 40 days off taking office" Truss proposed criminalising giving homeless people a tent.
I was appalled.
It didn't get passed, partly because her party got rid of her faster than you can say "unpopular economic mismanagement", thank goodness.
The more people that treat homeless people as valuable human beings the better the world is.
it turns out a lot of things are dystopian when you live in a dystopia. whod'a thunk it?
Very true.
It's been genuinely good to talk. All the best for next week.