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Geoff shares his transformative journey on the carnivore diet after struggling with serious heart conditions and Crohn's disease. After enduring multiple hospitalizations and heart procedures, he eliminates medications and experiences significant health improvements by adopting a strict carnivore lifestyle, emphasizing the importance of diet in achieving healing rather than merely weight loss.

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Introduction to Heath Issues

Geoff recounts his struggles with heart disease, specifically atrial fibrillation (AFib) and Crohn's disease, which led to frequent hospital visits and a desperate need for a healthy solution.

Discovery of Carnivore Diet

After a conversation with his son, Geoff learns about the carnivore diet. His son provides resources, including videos from doctors advocating for this diet, prompting Geoff to conduct thorough research.

Initial Experience on the Diet

Geoff starts the carnivore diet as a 30-day challenge, which quickly evolves into a 90-day commitment after observing notable health improvements such as reduced symptoms associated with his chronic conditions.

Health Improvements Noticed

Within the first 30 days, Geoff experiences significant relief from Crohn's disease, reduced chronic pain, heightened energy levels, and the ability to engage in physical activities that had been challenging for years.

Medication Reduction

As his health stabilizes, Geoff's cardiologists gradually reduce and eventually eliminate his heart medications after confirming his improved condition, marking a significant milestone in his health journey.

Personal Weight Loss Journey

Geoff loses a substantial amount of weight from 227 lbs to 160 lbs without focusing solely on weight loss, emphasizing that the primary goal was to heal his body.

Community Support Importance

Geoff underscores the importance of engaging with the carnivore community for motivation and support and shares how he encourages others to connect through local forums and meetups.

Advice for Newcomers to Carnivore Diet

Geoff advises newcomers to read foundational texts, engage with the community, and understand the body's nutrition needs, stressing that each person's journey may require individual adjustments.

Long-Term Commitment to Carnivore

With over 675 days on the carnivore diet, Geoff expresses his commitment to this lifestyle, recognizing it not as a traditional diet but rather as a lifelong approach to health.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd be cautious assigning causation here. Dude lost 60lb, which will improve anyone's cardiac health.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Would you like citations for low carb impact on cardiovascular outcomes?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I mean, there's a absolutely data showing that the Atkins (no carb) diet was bad. There's even data showing keto is bad unless there's a medical need for it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

There's even data showing keto is bad unless there's a medical need for it.

Please give us enough to look it up. Title and lead researcher is enough if you don't have a link

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Atkins wasn't no carb. The most restrictive Atkins diet required 20g of net carbs per day, and it got less restrictive quickly.

Internet keto follows the most restrictive Atkins diet, or sometimes limits people to 20g total carbs (as opposed to Atkins' net carbs). Medical keto is like internet keto but adds highly ketogenic MCT fats

The only people prescribed medical keto are those getting it for mental illness, diet tests usually use internet keto

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'd love to see that data, I have recent research showing how good zero/low carb is for people.

But let's just tackle the biggest concern: Keto is bad - Here is a 5 year study following people on keto (that is one of the longest intervention studies i'm aware of) https://hackertalks.com/post/7487475

Here are the biomarkers from that study, notice the improvement across the board (again this is a 5 year intervention). This demonstrates, at least for me, that keto can safely be followed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That study just enhances my statement that the diet isn't necessarily good for people outside of those with specific health issues.

This shows that the keto diet is beneficial to people with type 2 diabetes.

Also, in the study I don't see any mention of them controlling for any other lifestyle improvements such as exercise.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 weeks ago

All of the scientific tests will compare people with a medical condition. No one can get ethics approval to put healthy people on a weird diet

Type 2 diabetes studies at least shows that it reverses metabolic disorder; this implies the diet won't kill you (a) quickly or (b) with metabolic disorder, which makes it better than the standard American diet

The only one I know of that addressed healthy people was the lean mass hyper responder/Miami heart health comparison (the LMHR study) which compared arterial calcium between long term carnivore dieters with the general population. LMHR people have very high cholesterol and the study mapped their cholesterol to cardiac calcium versus the general population's cholesterol and cardiac calcium

But that's just one biomarker and is only useful if your worry is cardiac disease.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm not sure how this enhances your statement, it demonstrates the diet is safe for at least 5 years. It can be used for type 2 diabetes to show type 2 diabetes improvement.

But, even if you want to say this only shows a massive improvement for type 2 diabetes patients, that's a billion people on this planet. I'm hard-pressed to think of a condition or outcome that diabetes is protective of, and how an intervention for type 2 diabetics that doesn't show any downsides cannot be generalized to the safety for the general population

I really would be interested in seeing the dangers of the keto diet you mentioned earlier, then we could have a productive discussion about that

Thank you for looking at the study itself, they did not control for exercise that's true. They ensured people were taking a standard diet before the intervention started, and they were even encouraging people to exercise. If you want to control for the study, you can look at the standard progression of type 2 diabetes in the population at large, which isn't very good, it's very deteriorative journey on just medication