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Mmm'k, I'll take the bike next time I'll bring 300kg of concrete from the store...
The problems is not having a car. The problem is taking its car everyday for less than 5km to go to work.
Yes, you can live without any car if you live in a big city (in 30m2 apartment 😝), eat in restaurant, go to cinema, etc... and love this way of living.
But if you want a house, with decent garden, close to nature, then it becomes hard to live without car. Not that you must take your car everyday, I have an electric 50cm3 equivalent bike to go to work.But yeah, when I do the garden and have 3/4m3 of organic waste, it's hard to evacuate this by bus...
Why aren't you keeping you organic wastes on the property to make nutrituous compost?
Dude, do you have any idea if what 5m3 grass, woods and leaves represent in a 700m2 garden, and the time it would require to compost it naturally ?
There is an "organic factory" (don't know how to translate it) were people can bring their organic waste close to my home. They have big crusher for wood, and several areas to maturate the compost. You can buy premium organic compost for your garden for like 0.1 euros per kg. You can also come with your trailer and take a few tons if you want.
It is also used by townhalk to decorate round about, public PARC, etc...
I lived rurally for 15 years and we composted everything from food waste to yard trimmings in our yard. Does you area do organics collections? My area also has a municipal compost and they pick up organics every week along the garbage schedule.
Yes, we have this, but they don't pick above 1m3. Which is stupid, because for less than 1m3, I put it in my own composter.
You'd probably be surprised to know that people do just that kind of thing regularly. There are numerous videos on YouTube showing all sorts of large objects being moved by bike.
@borokov @veganpizza69
I came by bike to work during 10 years, I also have a trailer for my daughter, do regular cyclo-tourism, including crossing Scotland and Iceland with tent and bike.
Trust me, I know what a bike can do. But when you just discharge 4 tons of concrete from the delivery truck and noticed you missed a few bags of cement, you really are not motivated to drive 15km with cargo bike.
To be fair, you could get a bike trailer that handles 300kg, and it would be way more affordable than a pickup truck or van.
But are you doing this often? Are most people??
When I get something large enough to require a cargo van, I usually just rent one for like $20.
It's about using the most appropriate vehicle for the job, with a priority being on the one that causes the least harm to the environment and community.
A car is not appropriate for most of the trips people take, and a truck/SUV even less.
@borokov @veganpizza69
Ironically, your car is destroying the nature you want to be closer to. If you really love nature and the outdoors, using a car to access it is like being a toxic ex-boyfriend who refuses to let go and calls it love.
But what's the alternative?
I'm not talking about the big national parks, which should absolutely have mass transit to shuttle people into it.
But the smaller parks, national/state forests, and public lands? I do a lot of backpacking so I'm regularly at an unnamed trailhead in the middle of my local national forest where we've been on dirt roads for the last 45 minutes. There's not really any feasible way to build public transport to service all of that, and I would very very very much not want them building actual roads for busses or rails for trains.
@Lv_InSaNe_vL
People spread over the earth and into every corner of it except Antarctica, tens of thousands of years before there were cars. Did Genghis Khan have a car? Did Hannibal have a car? Every location you say you can't get to without a car was settled by Native Americans, for thousands of years, without cars. Cable cars would probably have the lowest environmental impact to move people around a park. #MotoNormativity #CarBrain #FuckCars
Again, I'm not talking about a park because in the US there's enormous amounts of public land. For example, I like camping in Manistee National Forest, which is about a million acres of almost completely undeveloped land. Its just not feasible to build a cable car route to the like 7000 trail heads throughout. Nor would I want that because that in itself would destroy so much more of the nature compared to the handful of small cars.
Oh and Hannibal's famous march took 5-6 months. And unfortunately I don't have that kind of PTO ;)
@Lv_InSaNe_vL Lewis and Clark walked all the way to the west coast. My father hiked from Corpus Christie Texas to the Canadian border through the Rocky Mountains in the mid 1970s. If you want to visit remote areas of national parks your feet and a backpack are the best options. Horses are also an option. They can be rented and buying and maintaining a horse is cheaper than buying and maintaining a car. They also do less damage to nature.
Yeah and I've done the Pacific Crest Trail too, which is 2650 miles from the Mexican border to the Canadian one. It took me about 4 months almost entirely on foot. I'm not saying it's not possible, it's just really nice to be able to go backpacking for a weekend.
Again, I am not talking about the national parks. I mentioned that in my first comment. I am talking about things like State forests and National Forests which are essentially just enormous forests. They aren't "parks" in the same way a national park is. They don't have big visitor centers or perfectly well maintained trails.
Hahahahahahahaha hahahahaha oh wait are you serious? Hahahahaha. God that's funny. My car cost me $3500 and about $1500/year after gas/insurance/maintenance. A horse is going to be significantly more than that. And I still need to get the horse to and from the various trail heads which is still going to require a vehicle. And a much larger one because my little car isn't gonna tow a trailer lmao
An alternative in this case is carsharing or taxis. Car ownership is a big issue, for every carsharing car you can get rid of up to 10 vehicles.
Lmfao what are you talking about? There's zero chance you'll find a ride share or taxi willing to take you out on seasonal roads. And that's also ignoring the fact that a lot of these are going to be ~2hrs or more away from an actual town so it's not financially feasible either.
I'm talking about going out into actual nature. Still very far away from civilization.
Carsharing is not the same thing as ride sharing. Carsharing (basically short term car rental paid by the hour/km) is an option anywhere. My girlfriend and I have used this widely in our nature adventures in Europe.
I am talking about possibilities of how we could reform our system and thinking, not the real life situation. Nonetheless, a taxi (ride sharing) is still a viable option in large parts of the world and the US.
Your attitude is unnecessarily hostile so I will shut this conversation down. Thank you for your time.