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Michigan governor says not voting for Biden over Gaza war ‘supports second Trump term’
(www.theguardian.com)
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I will vote for Biden in the General Election, but I will not stop speaking out about the Genocide in Palestine. We can put a stop to this, now. We don't have to wait for the election, we don't want to let Netanyahu handle this situation in the slightest.
And this is the only correct solution.
You see so many people in this thread essentially equating Trump and Biden because of Gaza, and they keep skirting around “you shouldn’t vote Biden because both sides are the same tee-hee.”
That’s the joy of continuing with democracy in the US. Biden and ‘the Left’ won’t attempt to curtail your speech or throw you in jail. The other guys… not so much.
biden is a zionist. he is definitely not part of the 'the Left'. at no point in his career has he been a leftist. he is a centrist zionist.
LOL
Real talk now. You will stop speaking about the so called so called "Genocide in Gaza" as soon as you're distracted by memes making you upset about something else.
Yahya Sinwar will be dead soon enough, and there will be a ceasefire in exchange for the remaining hostages. In a few months there won't be any more civilian casualties in your social media feeds and the memes will tell you that Dark Brandon made Israel accept the ceasefire. You will love the Dark Brandon because of the memes. A few weeks after that the memes and Tik Toks will be making you upset over Trump and you will have forgotten all about the Palestinians. Just like how you never cared about the Ethiopian civil war or any other conflict in the world unless the memes tell you you're supposed to.
Netanyahu empowered this militant group to begin with, secured their funding for them. They're targeting hospitals, border crossings, and refugee camps. It's pretty clear that Israel's goals aren't to defeat Hamas, but to kill as many Palestinians as possible before the time runs out.
You think Israel are trying to kill as many palestinians as possible? They're not doing a great job in that case.
They're doing a great job.
The most effective way to depopulate an area is what the Nazis finally ended up doing, and has been done by every genocidal group since.
You starve the population.
It takes a month or two for food stores to run out, then it takes about a month for the starvation to start killing people. During those first two months the numbers don't go up a large amount. Afterwards they go up FAST.
It also kills off the children first, so even if not fully successful, you've made the population older, and weaker, and less able to resist or fight back the next time.
This is what Israel is doing.
A 3 month old Palestinian boy died yesterday from starvation. He wasn't even alive in Oct.
I hope you never have to eat grass to try to stave off the insanity inducing hunger you seem okay with Israel inducing.
Ah yes just naturally jump into assuming I'm ok with forced starvation. Touch grass.
You certainly seem like you're trying to whitewash the forced starvation because the numbers didn't increase that much during the initial 2 month period it takes for starvation to start once the Israelis started the starvation campaign.
The rate at which the Palestinians are dying is far above most historic wars. For example, WW2 had about 85,000,000 deaths in 2176 days and the total population of the world was about 2.5 Billion so 0.000015625% dead per day compared to the situation in Gaza where 30,000 dead out of 2 Million total in Gaza over 143 days is 0.015% dead per day. You could argue by including Israeli casualties and total population should be included for fair comparison, but it's still not even close.
Unhelpful to compare a 5 month conflict in a tiny country to a globe spanning war that lasted years though right? And whats the point in comparing the percentage of the global population that died in one war vs the percentage of people that died in gaza, does that tell us anything useful?
A more helpful comparison might be the battle of leningrad: 1 500 000 soviet civillians died in 872 days, which works out at 1720 per day. Add on another 3.5 million military deaths and you're looking at 5733 every single day.
And Israels plan is to remove Palestines border with Egypt, so that it will now be completely encircled by Israel.
This is new to me. Do you have any sources?
You have to put pressure on Biden because it could make a difference. There would be no convincing Trump. Israel has utterly failed this challenge. Netanyahu has proven himself beyond any reasonable doubt to be a criminal.
and biden is best friends with netanyahu. if we cant convince biden before an election, then we will not be able to convince him after one. we need to ask him to resign and realistically threaten that they WILL lost this election. nothing else will light a fire under their ass like that. nothing.
This might be a viable solution if there were a dem candidate coming up the pike that had a chance against Trump.
But there isnt. Your election choices are Trump and not Trump. Regardless of what you think of the "not Trump" option, Trump would be exponentially worse. Voting 3rd party or not voting at all is the equivalent of a vote for Trump.
no its not and you know it. american election cycles are really good anxiety producers. we have two options, one will make everything worse, one will make it so the bad guys cant win. but the democrats don't want change. they want to appease their donors, one of the biggest being AIPAC. don't act like democrats are gonna save the day. I'd say they just drop the ball but its not as if they really wanted to get in the hoop. They throw the game and then blame us for not voting hard enough and being too apathetic