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no. we're pissed at people like you because you bought obvious right wing propaganda and refuse to own it. you ignored the principals of harm reduction in the anarchist movement to keep your soul clean. you don't care about what action in a given moment of time will result in the best outcome for the people you claim to care about. you care about being seen as right. i want to know. did you talk to anyone at the protests? did you talk to any Palestinians? because the people out there in the streets knew what was stake. we voted for kamala. we held our nose and did it because of the candidates who had a chance of becoming president, she gave us the best chances of continuing to fight for human rights.
and do you know what i noticed? your ilk has all but vanished from these leftist spaces online after the election. honestly, it's friggin' exhausting having people like you saying people like us are just trying to score points or virtue signaling.
yes. kamala harris, joe biden, and hillary clinton are all awful people who suck, and the democrats tried to get away with running someone right of what their base wanted because donald trump was SO HORRIBLE. that doesn't change the fact that donald trump really is SO HORRIBLE
What harm is reduced by voting for crimes against humanity, and continuing the oppression of the working class domestically and abroad?
the vote was between "harm stays the same" and "harm gets worse"
the harm is getting worse
we were still going to work on mutual aid, educating children, harm prevention, putting out messaging about the truth to wake up our fellow brethren. just now we have to do it while our most marginalized sisters are slipping into hiding because they're at more risk of being detained for speaking up and speaking out.
anyway. i'm done with this thread. today is a big day in my community. please spend some time today with your marginalized sisters. they need you.
voting is not harm reduction
it's a tiny itsy bitsy miniscule aspect of it
no, harm reduction is recognizing the harm is going to come, and mitigating the consequences. it's not voting for someone who might only cause some harm.
What have you done to mitigate the consequences?
Trained two people in the use of firearms yesterday. Sunday, I hosted first aid training for a dozen people.
Next week, a general assembly for my block is happening, to plan gardens.
What are you doing or have done to actually reduce harm?
So absolutely nothing that will stop the genocide in Palestine.
What I have done is spend hours of my time making calls, writing emails and going directly to the offices of politicians to demand they do something.
But sure, I haven't trained anyone not in Palestine how to use firearms or do first-aid training because those are 100% irrelevant.
Oh, mitigate things in Palestine?
I send regular donations to groups there for aid.
What beyond that, do you suggest? Voting for a dem wouldn't have changed things for them. Neither do phone calls.
Intried the phone call route, letters, etc. I was told by my dem reps, that it's important for the US to maintain a strong security presence there, to protect Israelis.
"They told me something discouraging, so I gave up" is not the excuse you think it is.
But congratulations on deciding the solution is capitalism. Both very American of you.
Bruh, I oppose capitalism...
You clearly don't. You think money will fix genocide.
What do you suggest I do, other than that?
No matter how I voted, they'd be getting genocided... so, I sent money for relief aid. That's apparently wrong, that I put my money where my mouth is, and vote with my dollars like ya'll liberals say to do..
So what else should I do?
I suggest you stop lying about me, first of all. Then maybe we can go on to suggesting what you can do about Palestinian genocide. But I'm guessing the former is not going to stop.
I get it. Your only solution to everything is just vote. And then it ends there.
no, they also beg politicians to do something , and run away, and shit on solidarity efforts
Another lie.
that's not what they said
I asked them what they are doing to help stop genocide, they said giving groups money. So yeah, it is.
I may be stupid, but I'm not illiterate.
you are engaging in bad faith re-fucking-ported
That's literally what they said, but okay. Go ahead and report me for it.
it's not what they said. it's a bad faith interpretation
I'm pretty sure only I get to decide whether or not my interpretation is "bad faith," and since they are now telling as many lies as possible about me in this post (claiming I call people, including them, idiots, claiming I think voting is the only thing to do, claiming I think people should "vote blue no matter who," all easily disproven), maybe I'm not the one acting in bad faith her.
the mods and admins also get to decide. your tu quoque isn't a defense, either.
It's sure a defense of why you've decided to focus on me and not the person who is clearly trolling. But sure, I'm the real problem here.
And you seriously reported me to the admins too? You think I'm violating Lemmy's ToS somehow? Please quote the part of the ToS I'm violating.
I'm talking to you because you responded to me. anyone can read the thread. you claim they're trolling but I woke up to a message from you demanding to know what I'm doing to help with harm reduction. and when I clicked into the threead you were shitting on someone who is actually helping with harm reduction.
I know who the troll is.
Accusing people of bad faith seems to be something you greatly enjoy doing:
https://lemmy.world/search?q=bad+faith&type=All&listingType=All&creatorId=12111005&page=1&sort=TopAll
Also, don't you think maybe you should consider what I'm actually helping with? Or does it not count when I do it? Because that would seem like "bad faith" to me.
Now- what part of the ToS did I volate?
no. it's irrelevant to whether you're participating in this conversation productively. you're not. you're derailing.
I'm absolutely right about each of the times I've pointed out bad faith engagement.
You still haven't told me what part of the ToS I have violated despite implying you have contacted the admins.
That seems like "bad faith engagement" to me.
I don't get to determine that. it's up to mods and admins.
So you report people for violating rules even if you don't actually know what those rules are?
That definitely sounds like bad faith. And trolling. And a headache for the admin.
this definitely sounds like trolling.
Then you are definitely violating the rules of this community right now:
But I won't report you for it, I just think the irony is very amusing.
you don't seem to know what capitalism is
Throwing money at a problem in order to solve it is peak capitalism, but do tell me how it fits in a non-capitalist system. This should be good.
peak capitalism is extracting profit from others labor, like being a landlord.
I'm an insurrectionist, I just know my enemy.
Huh. And all this time I thought capitalism was multifaceted and not so simple that you could sum it up in one sentence, which is why there are multi-volume works dedicated to it.
But you're the economist here.
yes. and for 20 minutes to 3 hours on election day that was casting a ballot. like i said. it's a teeny tiny itsy bitsy aspect. it's not everything, but in a lot of ways if you can't bring yourself to even inconvenience yourself that little bit…
casting a ballot is not harm reduction
we're talking in circles. today is a big day for me. i suggest instead of responding to me when you're completely entrenched into your way of thought you spend some time today with some other marginalized people and help them out. i'm done with this conversation. it's clear you're the type of anarchist from David Rovics' "i'm a better anarchist than you"
I hope you learn what harm reduction is someday
ooof. David Rovics platforms Nazis. I'm a way better anarchist than him.
well that sucks to hear. thanks for the heads up on that. reading about it it looks like he fell down the crunchy to alt right pipeline. moreover the ignorant shit he's pushing is particularly hurtful since it promotes a super basic misunderstanding of the jewish identity that would be real easy to dispel if he bothered listening to a jewish leftist instead of digging his heels in. guess he's just another in a long line of people who talked some sense, got famous, and then were corrupted by the miniscule amount of power that comes with any amount of fame. it'll be a bummer when jesse welles falls down that path i guess
My l*beral in christ I literally voted for kamala
Believe it or not, not everyone who doesn't like liberals is a conservative or "tankie", it's just that nobody likes you. "Meet an asshole every day" and all that