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Police in Oklahoma say a teen who died a day after an altercation at school did not die as a result of injuries sustained in the fight.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Real question, can someone be both transgender and non-binary?

I thought transgender was M or F instead of F or M and non-binary is neither or all of the above.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

The prefix trans comes from Latin and means "On the far side of" wherever you're currently standing. So transportation takes you from one place to another.

To be transgender, your gender identity, expression, etc. Moves from one gender to another. So that could be in a binary way, from male to female, or vice versa.

Or it could mean you're going from male, to something in the middle, or otherwise not related to the traditional gender binary. You're still trans, you're just moving to a less expected part of the proverbial map.

The word transgender was pushed heavily by Leslie Feinberg, who was nonbinary. They also considered themselves a lesbian, and even transitioned to living as a man for many years in their youth.

I bring this up because I find that cis people, and even some trans people, want to put everything into nice neat little boxes, and queerness has just never worked that way. A term like LGBT implies that each of those letters is a discreet identity box, when in reality, all of these ideas and labels are a complex overlaping series of ven diagrams and umbrella terms.

Source: am Nonbinary and Bisexual.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Enby here, I wrestled with that question myself.

In the end I ended up embracing the "trans" label when I started living openly as non-binary because it suddenly felt like it fit. I'm not "cis", because I'm not the gender I was assigned at birth. I've transitioned, which is a trans thing.

From that perspective, I think any enby who was raised with binary gender expectations and subsequently come out of that closet can claim the label, and cis enbies would never have needed to because they'd always have been known as such.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

Non-binary.

"NB" gets used for "Non-Black" in some contexts, so a lot of non-binary folks contract the term as "enby" rather than the acronym to minimize confusion.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Transgender means that the gender you are assigned at birth does not align with the gender you identify as. Generally speaking, non-binary people are considered part of the trans community, but some non-binary choose to not identify as trans.

Source: am non-binary and consider myself trans.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Non-binary, male presenting, male by birth. So I don't identify as trans generally.

I am multiple though. So some of me is more female, some more male, and you know, frogs will switch it up when they need to adapt to the environment.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Yes.

Here is a link to an interview with a non binary transgender person. (Timestamp around 32:00).

By the way, I recommend the whole video, I leaned a lot from it. Turn on captions tough if you'd like to watch it, it's partualy in Dutch, tough the linked section is English.

Edit: The Person interviewed starting at 11:00 Minutes also identifies as non binary trans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Many come out as nonbinary before they come out as trans.

Nonbinary seems to have less a social stigma that I am sure many fins a safe avenue to exolore.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I’m non-binary. There is still a TON of social stigma around being non-binary. In fact, you’ve stated one of the things here: “non-binary people are just unwilling to fully transition”. I heard the same thing said about bisexual men back in the early 00s, that they were just gay men that refused to accept that fact.

I would say, very seriously, that a lot of especially AMAB non-binary folks face a ton of discrimination both from the cis community and parts of the trans community.

As for me, I’m agender. I’m very comfortable with my identity and have been for years. But I still get people asking “so when are you going to transition or just give it up” as if where I’m at now isn’t where I want to be.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 8 months ago

Yeah, well, that's a fully invented quote that I never stated nor suggested, so... Cool.