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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

4 years? Climate scientists have been warning the world about climate change for about half a century, and urgently for a few decades. Bill Nye specifically has videos going back at least 13 years.

Don't just blame the 2017-2021 Trump presidency either for the current high, if that is what you mean by your "reworking the energy grid/vehicles in 4 years" argument. US oil production was at its lowest since about 1950 under Bush Jr. then climbed again dramatically through Obama's 2 terms. Then the Biden presidency started after a year of "low" production (that was actually higher than anything pre-2017) before climbing again steeply during the last 4 years. This is a problem of both parties, and the worst of it has happened in the last 13 years of which 9 were under a Dem president.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

wasn't most of the fossil fuel increase under the obama admin an increase in natural gas? Rather than oil/coal, in order to replace, said infrastructure, as it's cleaner.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

May be cleaner to burn but we're getting it by fracking which is terrible.

[+] [email protected] -7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I think you've horribly misread what I said.

The chain is about Biden and his 4 years. People want the Dems to solve the whole literal problem in their term. In the case of Biden, it was 4 years. 2 years really when you consider he only had the House or Reps for 2 years.

Both parties? We all know the GOP isn't going to do shit. They will do the exact opposite, actually. So it's only Dems.

Past that I have no idea what point you're trying to make. US oil production is not US oil usage. It was the fracking boom that increased production. As for dips, then there was the 2008 great recession and covid which changed everything for a few years each. Like you're focused on wrong fry, small fry, and taking it out of context. Obama? Guess what Obama learned from Gore? That running on an environmental policy was a losing proposition. He focused on health care. His thanks for that was to lose the house for the next 6 years. Guess the left didn't want anything for 6 years of his presidency.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

US oil production is not US oil usage.

Explain. Do you think the oil disappears or doesn't affect climate because it's not burned in the US? Why wouldn't I hold US policymakers accountable for oil being produced under their watch, even if it is exported?

As for dips, then there was the 2008 great recession and covid which changed everything for a few years each.

Look at the chart. The decline started in the mid-80's, and reached the bottom in 2005. By about 2001 it was the lowest since 1950. Years before the 2008 crash. You are right that the drop during Trump's last year coincides with the onset of COVID, but it rises again as early as the summer of 2020. And continues unabated into Biden's presidency and last year.

That running on an environmental policy was a losing proposition.

Obama was already elected into his 2nd term when oil production started climbing quicker than ever before at the end of 2012. Campaign strategy was over by then.

Nothing I'm seeing in the data suggests that Dems were meaningfully impeding/capping oil production. You may say it's because the environment is a losing political proposition (and you may be right). But in doing so you're just assigning a reason for the trends and timing that show dual-party responsibility.