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Biden administration cancels student loans of more than 150,000 borrowers under new plan
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Okay cool but I’m curious, who should we vote for?
I mean, Jill Stein is running again. There's also the dude from Minnesota trying to primary biden.
It's still a Trump vs Biden election but remember how many people voted for Gary Johnson and Jill Stein in 2016 and how much the establishment hated that? Let's do that again!
Bernie, AOC, Katie Porter, Ro Khanna, Rashida Tlaib.
After they have recused themselves from the Democrat party and have declared themselves Independent.
Those would be my choices.
Which one if those is running for POTUS, wants the position, and can realistically win? If they can't win, which they can't at least this election cycle, then it is a waste and detrimental to the future of the US to vote for any of them. You don't have to like it, but as it stands, Biden is the only option that isn't pushing a fascist agenda.
... the union buster architect of the genocide of the Palestinian people whose running platforms are currently "I'm not Trump" and "I take really great super-villain pictures" isn't pushing a pure fascist agenda?
God, those blinders must be nice to have.
Because Trump would be better for the Palestinian people? Don't get me wrong, you're not off the mark on biden in the least, but until the Republicans can put up something other than buffoonery, make your choice in the primary then hold your nose in the general for the lesser of two evils. Welcome to first past the post
I am tired of having the same exact conversation every day.
Yall need to stop reciting the same verbatim 5 statements.
"He is committing genocide on the Palestinian people, but is better for the Palestinian people than Trump" is just such a deluded argument. Both spell eradication for the Palestinian people. Eradication is eradication.
We need to stop the eradication.
Agreed, but whether you're happy with it or not, one of them WILL be president come next year. There are a lot of other issues in the ballot that impact people's lives as well. Being a single issue voter is how systems like this ratchet up in the first place.
Agreed, thanks to fine individuals such as yourself continuing the "put your asshole right up there in the air and take it" rhetoric.
And for the record, rhetoric like that will always favor the Republican, because it makes the DNC think they are getting what they want, Reds will always vote red, and liberals will always vote (or 'vote' disenfranchised, aka not vote) conscientiously.
And for the record, I am far from a single issue voter. If you think the genocide is all that Biden has going against him, you need to get your hands on some news that isn't DNC propaganda.
Ok, so lets do this: you provide me with a realistically accomplishable path to help get biden off the ballot/not elected, without giving the house away to Trump and his sycophants, then I'll take you up on it. I've written letters, I've been at rallys, I've been at protests...etc. What else do you see me (and others like me) realistically being able to do to change the course of the election without, again, letting that dumptruck of shit that is Trump and his GOP back into positions of power?
Stop shilling for Biden, sound a little more like Jon Stewart, express outrage at Biden and the current DNC regime, and make them aware they have shit the bed and that Biden will lose (because they are shitting the bed harder daily, and Biden will lose).
Then they might have some ceremonial un-sanctioning of Rashida Tlaib and someone WORTH ELECTING AS POTUS might be willing to step up to wash the soiled sheets Biden and the current DNC regime are rolling around in.
Or, instead of being a voice shilling for Biden and the DNC, be a voice to encourage individuals who are not affiliated with the DNC nor the RNC to go for it and be the solution.
You seem really set on "Biden or you're wrong" as your leading salvo, and that, my friend, leads to Trump.
This election goes to Trump by default unless DNC shills deprogram themselves, stop championing Biden, who WILL lose, and join the effort to get people to either write in a third name, or check a third box in 9 months.
A fresh new human being can be cooked up in 9 months.
A different way can be devised in 9 months.
"Well... nothing you can do, its how those 2 fascist groups rigged it hands in the air, slurp it up like a good boy", lead 100% to Trump.
Personally, I want a Democrat party worth voting for. If they could be worth voting for again, that would be SO nice. I dont believe they CAN do that though. So while I willingly offer the 5 democrats that sould have taken the 2023-2024 primaries (Bernie, AOC, Katie Porter, Ro Khanna, Rashida Tlaib), I need to call for third party to become a viable option, because I WILL NOT vote for Biden again.
I agree with your overall sentiment, except for Bernie. No more geriatrics should be running. These guys are statistically a little lucky to be alive.
Perhaps you should consider our arguments more seriously if a multitude of people are all coming to these conclusions.
"coming to these conclusions" you mean being spoonfed non-critical rhetoric and then furiously regurgitating it
Or, perhaps you should think better of us, and not believe we're just parroting a spoonfed belief. Try to understand the perspective of someone who agrees things aren't great, but they don't want it to get even worse.
I can fully understand the perspective of not wanting to show any support at all for Biden. I don't agree with it and I think it's overly idealistic, but I understand the position. I know it comes from a place of genuine care and anger and concern. And that lets me have more civil conversations about this.
I don't believe you are regurgitating what the establishment wants you to. You simply are. Facts don't require beliefs. I am not being idealistic. I am beimg practical. The administration lied to us, like countless before them. The vote from the people is not what matters anyway. It is not based on popular vote. More people voted for Hillary but Trump won the electorate. We are caught in the ratcheting toward fascism by two parties playing us for fools, making us think they are enemies when they are all working for the same empire. I cannot in good conscience vote for a man letting a genocide happen. I cannot in good consience vote in an election that i know will not stop the amerikan empire from accomplishing its goals.
We'll keep repeating the same 5 statements because they're the truth. Like I said, you don't have to like it, but this is reality. Not voting for Biden is bad for the US. If you think your morals are stronger and more important than voting to help benefit the lives of millions, then you do you. It just means your selfish and pro fascism.
You also have the black and white take on geopolitics. There's more nuance to somethings than others. I'm appalled by what's happening in Palestine, and would love to drop all support for Israel. In fact, I work for a manufacturing company that is machining parts that will likely be used to kill innocent people over there. I'm actively trying to find a new job and that's one of the biggest driving factors. Unfortunately, I have bills and shit so I'm stuck until I'm not. I have no love for current events and decisions, but I'm far more concerned with the future of this country and our allies's future based on the upcoming election.
Keep chugging that kool aid.
Reap what you sow.
What exactly do you think I'm sowing?
You have two options for POTUS, that's it. Doesn't matter how hard you want a third option, there's two. One is exponentially better than the other one. You can vote for the better option and give the world a better shot at a better future, you can vote for the worse option which is bad for everyone, or you can not vote or vote third party, which is bad for everyone unless you were going to vote for Trump in the first place.
Those are facts, no way around it. You can cast whatever vote you want from you high horse. There's only one benefitial option though. Help Trump and Russia, or help the rest of the world. There's no in-between. If that doesn't click with you, you must either lack empathy or have zero understanding of how the world works.
You are trying to sow a Biden term.
Disenfranchised Democrats wont be mobilized by genocide. They will not vote for Biden.
You shilling for Biden keeps his grip on the DNC tight.
So I think you are sowing a Trump presidency, but you want to feel all smug and self-righteous during it. Because you backed the genocidal maniac who lost.
Any person with a soul would be challenging the DNC to produce a new candidate and/or encouraging any third party challenger who is against genocide to go for it.
Any person that thinks running anyone but the incumbent in this political climate or votes third party is a fucking moron. The facts are plain. Not being able to comprehend that you have two choices, and one is clearly better than the other says a lot about you. I could certainly link to a laundry list of great things Biden has accomplished the last 3 years, but you don't care. You are pro Trump, that's clear as day, I just don't understand how anyone can be so ignorant to how the real world works.
I used to wonder where the 2016 Clinton supporters went to...
But rubbing people's noses in the fact that we dont have a good option for president like your happy about it. It's like a passenger on the Titanic laughing because the guy next to him were going to get wet.
Y'all stand out.
"Doc, I'm feeling really depressed. Nothing is making me happy."
"Have you tried just, being happy and joyful?"
"But I don't know how to do that. How do I get there?"
"Oh, so now you're just rubbing it in that I'm an awful doctor?!"
It's a totally valid question to say "okay that sounds great, but how do we get there?".
If anyone is actually asking that:
Elect better dem candidates in the primary while we still have primaries. Then they pass laws to get money out of politics.
Shit ain't complicated, so it's hard to take anyone serious who has to ask.
Well yeah, but that isn't something that happens overnight. We're not going to succeed in every primary in every year. It's going to take like a decade. The point is, we need to still do something in the interim while we get there. We can't just consider it hopeless and allow the worst to happen when we have the ability to make it less worse.
It's been taking hell of a lot longer than a decade already
The only interm option is voting for whatever Dem is in the general.
The fact that the DNC just yanked NH's primary delegates for something only NH republicans have control of, means just blindly voting D in the general isn't enough. They've argued to a judge and won that their not bound by the votes. I fear I'll live to see it because the same billionaire assholes fund both parties.
Who said I was happy about it?
Those would be Biden supporters.
But rubbing people's noses in the fact that you must pick from only 2 shitty candidates and like it.
It's like being in the mob actively punching holes in the hull of the Titanic or the mob actively setting fires on the Titanic and laughing at the people who are trying to bail the water and throw it on the flames.