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TIL that malnutrition isn't an issue in North Korea (ponder.cat)

submitted 3 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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This is a weird one. Bear with me. From [email protected]:

So I said to myself, "that's a little bit weird. The US one going up, I can actually believe, but the North Korea one being lower is definitely wrong."

I think Our World In Data is just being shoddy, as they often do.

https://www.wfp.org/countries/democratic-peoples-republic-korea

https://www.statista.com/statistics/269924/countries-most-affected-by-hunger-in-the-world-according-to-world-hunger-index/

The thing I found funny, and why I'm posting here, comes from observing why it was that they started their graph at 2003 and exactly at 2003.

I feel like you could use this as a slide in a little seminar in "how to curate your data until it matches your conclusion, instead of the other way around."

And also, I don't think the hunger rate suddenly dropped from epic to 0 exactly in 2003, I think more likely Our World in Data is just a little bit shoddy about their data.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 3 days ago (12 children)

CIA propaganda, the poverty rate in the DPRK is -1%, and party approval rate is 102%

Source: from the DPRK, of course! Lying is illegal in glorious DRPK!

[–] [email protected] 53 points 3 days ago (11 children)

In my experience, it's more akin to:

Source: Literally anything! That isn't corrupt and Western!

"Like what?"

Source: Anything!

"Can I use Al Jazeera? Or Wikipedia? Or can you give me a few sources that I can look at?"

Source: No, those are corrupt and Western! You're lying! Look at this UN report!

"This UN report says the opposite of what you said."

Source: That's because the UN is corrupt, and lying! And Western!

"Can you just tell me where you got this information in the first place? Even if it's not 'reliable' per se, surely someone told it to you in the first place. Who was that? Where do you get your news?"

Source: Shut up! You're sealioning! You're being bad! You're lying! Blocked. Cry some more!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Lmfao look at this link yogthos has sent to me before

https://redsails.org/another-view-of-tiananmen/

cracks me up

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There was no “massacre in Tiananmen Square.” But there’s no question many people were killed by the army that night around Tiananmen Square, and on the way to it — mostly in the western part of Beijing. Maybe, for some, comfort can be taken in the fact that the government denies that, too.

Western intelligence agencies at the time, now declassified, corroborate the official Chinese numbers: Casualty figures remain uncertain and unconfirmed, but reports of deaths from the military assault on Tiananmen Square range from 180 to 500.

This is an uncommonly straightforward take on it. “Sure, they killed hundreds of protestors. But it wasn’t in the square itself, and some other people inflate the number of dead, so it doesn’t count.”

I don’t know whether that claim is even true. But even if it’s entirely accurate, this as the vindication of the CCP doesn’t work. They just want some truthiness they can point to and make it sound like the dead protestors are a lie.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

It's my favorite part because the quote they pulled to support it is a journalist rolling their eyes so hard.

he's literally like yes there is no massacre in the square because you chased everyone the fuck away

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Massacre ❌ The People's™ Massacre ✅

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