Things didn't end well for the last guy...
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I mean.... Good? TSA is worthless anyway, they should be shut down forever. I hope it's one of the first agencies that are completely abolished
As I said elsewhere, those people have kids to feed and forcing people to work without pay is slavery.
So no, not good.
That's not how this works.
Shutdown doesn't mean no pay, it means no check issued for non essentials. You get furloughed and don't work unless you choose to, everyone that is expected to work is covered by supplemental budget.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2024/12/20/tsa-holiday-travelers-longer-airport-lines-shutdown/
You might want to check before you make these declarations. I do.
Slaves have to work bud, employees choose to. You could just say your hyperbole is a bit much rather then insist gainfully employed people are actual slaves anymore than any of the test of us wage slaves.
Ed:
Also if you read up there are programs specially for this because it's so absurd and common. https://www.ussfcu.org/federal-government-shutdown-assistance.html
USAA and Navy Federal offer the same zero interest loans as well.
They get paid, I'm not sure your intention with this random hyperbolic doomsaying is but it's unproductive and misleading at best.
Sure. "We'll pay you eventually, double swearsies, but you are required to work until then" totally isn't slavery.
They've never not been paid, doing otherwise is fraud even for the government.
And no, that's not slavery. Slavery is a forced servitude, you're not a slave because your mom asked you to take out the trash for "$20 next week if finances work out".
Not the everything is literally slavery or literally Hitler no matter how hard you wring your hands and stir the pot.
Do you know what happens when you live paycheck-to-paycheck, like the vast majority of Americans, and they stop paying you for a while? Do you know what happens to children in those situations?
Opm holds 90 days in reserve, appropriations usually issues another 90 if needed, add another 90 days by zero interest loan and you have pay for approximately 270 days.
Currently opm projects no non payment, stop doomsaying when this happens periodically like clockwork.
Ed: also distinctly different from slavery given the voluntary nature of employment. It's bad, it isn't however "literally slavery" no matter how hard you clutch your pearls.
I literally quoted you a news article that says that they will work without pay in the event of a shutdown. Why are you pretending the opposite is true?
The TSA who say that literally Everytime? The TSA that doesn't control their own payroll? That one?
2018
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/government-shutdown-affect-air-travel/
Most TSA workers, about 95%, are considered essential, and would therefore remain on the job in the event of a shutdown — but without pay — TSA administrator David Pekoske said in a post on X.
Guess how many did not get paid.
2013
https://www.dhs.gov/archive/news/2015/02/25/tsa-workers-deserve-more-iou
A shutdown for the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) means that most of our employees would still continue to come to work, without receiving a paycheck for that work until the shutdown ends.
Guess how many did not get paid.
A baited hook does not necessitate a bite, sometimes people just say shut to scare you and this is one of those times.
Notably, I can't help but notice you aren't calling it slavery anymore. Have we backed away from that ill thought out and obscenely offensive analogy?
Since you didn't provide any sources for whether or not they did get paid after that or how long it took, I have no idea.
I called it slavery a couple of comments ago. Am I supposed to use the word in every comment?
It feels like you're just trolling now. Especially that last part.
They all get paid, they just might not be paid on time which is not in fact slavery.
That would be the point in guessing or better yet finding out on your own that they in fact did get paid because not paying people is fraud. Some agencies used their budget surplus to keep paying employees others like the TSA who are poorly managed so far as I'm aware have not.
If that's your decision, it's not one I would make though.
Everything you could really want to know about how shutdown pay works is in this PDF by the OPM.
https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/furlough-guidance/unemployment-compensation-for-federal-employees-fact-sheet-december-2018.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiF0bb1z7eKAxUVv4kEHXluBB8QFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1Xze9BbLSxX50O68D3vREe
No, I'm trying to get you to accept calling inconvenience slavery is a bit too far.
Not getting paid on time when you live paycheck-to-paycheck is not "inconvenience." You must live quite the privileged life to think so.
By needling me for not mentioning it in the last two comments? Try in a different and better way.
I hate to tell you, that's an inconvenience not literal slavery.
You must live a privileged life to compare forced servitude and plays at genetic inferiority to not getting paid.
Yes.
I don't need to, you're still defending your point which is that not getting paid is literally slavery.
Check yourself, no one is selling their children nor themselves down river. Like how is the fact it is objectively offensive to compare the two not altogether glaring to you?
Again, living paycheck-to-paycheck and then not getting paid is not an inconvenience. How do you not know that?
It's a way to get your house foreclosed on and a way to have to decide between electricity and food.
Have you really never been in that sort of financial situation?
Is it literally slavery?
That's all that matters to you, I guess. As long as it isn't literally the exact same thing as people in chains picking cotton in the fields, it's just fine and it doesn't matter who suffers. So fine. It isn't literal slavery. It's just incredibly cruel, especially to children who did nothing to deserve it.
Happy?
It's not at all the same thing since it's not forcible.
Point to where I said or implied anything of the sort.
Agreed, but things don't need to be slavery to be shitty and the offensive hyperbole is both unnecessary and misleading.
Yeah, though the indignation is curious.
Well considering all of this turned out to be you being nitpicky when the point was to illustrate how cruel something you decided was merely an inconvenience was, yeah, I'm pretty indignant. Especially since now it's suddenly not just inconvenient but cruel.
Make up your mind.
Inconveniences can be cruel boss, they're not however slavery no matter how dramatic and indignate you choose to be.
You're implying being owned and not being paid are analogous, they're not.
No one owns your children, no one is going to whip you, you need not but your freedom if that's even a possibility, you're not in fact less than anyone else in a legal sense of personhood.
It's not productive to be so hyperbolic especially when what you're saying is incredibly offensive let alone to be indignate when someone tries to explain to you how downright cruel and insensitive you're being.
For fuck's sake, having your house foreclosed on isn't an inconvenience.
And that's what happens if you're behind on house payments and you aren't getting paid.
Seriously, how rich are you?
It's an inconvenience, the fact you can't find another word but literal slavery implies it's validity.
It could, but the fact you have equity in property is pretty good nigh definitive evidence that you are not in fact a slave.
It's my argument any more or less valid based on what I make or what I'm worth? Tell me, how does it in fact change anything I've spoken about.
I can find plenty of other words: cruel, heartless, disgusting, immoral, inhuman.
But you think being homeless is just inconvenient rather than a possible death sentence. Again, how rich are you?
Oxford dictionary
We apologize for the delay and regret any inconvenience it may have caused.
So then, is it by definition an inconvenience. You may not like it being factual but it is.
Not quite the same there huh? You know, what with the owned as property thing.
Again, is my class as perceived by you somehow altering the English language or basic human decency? No, then what does it matter. If we're being classiest I know someone who's posted pictures of their old world hardwood library bigger than a lot of folks living spaces. So if it matters, how rich are you?
Despite me asking first, I'll tell you: I'm poor. I'm unemployed. We're on a single income. I'm thousands of dollars in medical debt, I'm also suffering from two debilitating chronic illnesses which might not be treatable if my wife had to quit her job and find some other work because they stopped paying her for who knows how long and get something with worse insurance.
Again, how rich are you?
I think the fact that you refuse to answer that question means the answer is "very."
Well, I cannot possibly explain to you how unbelievably fucking dumb it is to doxx yourself but I will go ahead and report it for you.
Don't doxx yourself guy.
That is not even close to doxxing myself. You can't find out one single bit of personal information to identify me from that. Go ahead and try.
And I answered your question.
How about answering mine? That would be the courteous thing to do. But I guess you'd rather do this nonsense doxxing troll.
You say that but you post a lot here with photos from your own life and talk a lot about yourself. It isn't particularly hard to put the clues together if that's your particular proclivity. I'm a tedious asshole you are correct, but do not put yourself in danger like that guy Internet arguments aren't worth run ins with motivated psychopaths.
Neat, you didn't answer the important one. How does it change anything? How do you know I'm not a well spoken 7 year old and importantly what does it change? Like if I'm homeless what's that mean? Billionaire? Making exactly enough to cover all my bills but no more?
Like I get it you think I'm so above needing money that i don't get struggle which is imo a strange conclusion but whatever.
Neither of which I did here, yet you claimed I doxxed myself. Tell me specifically what personal identifying information I gave above when I said-
"Despite me asking first, I’ll tell you: I’m poor. I’m unemployed. We’re on a single income. I’m thousands of dollars in medical debt, I’m also suffering from two debilitating chronic illnesses which might not be treatable if my wife had to quit her job and find some other work because they stopped paying her for who knows how long and get something with worse insurance."
Specifically what part of that identifies me? None of it because you're lying. In an incredibly silly way.
It's a very sensible conclusion when I've asked you how rich you are multiple times and you refuse to answer. Even after I told you my economic situation.
You're rich and you are embarrassed about it because it makes you look just as callous and dismissive of the poor as Elon.
Avoid again.
How does it matter?
Also and I say again, point to where I'm dismissive of it. I have always maintained its fucked up, my issue is it's not literally slavery.
This isn't complex.
Yeah that was dumb, I also don't care if it's true or not nor should anyone. Opinion isn't weighed based on wealth nor is fact.
All you've done is expose yourself as a classist thug which is just deliciously ironic.
Yes, you are indeed avoiding pointing out where I doxxed myself.
It was a stupid lie. I guess we're in agreement.
You're right. And proud of it. Fuck rich people. Tax them all at 99.99% every bit of everything they own. Make a Maximum wage.
You still can't explain why my class makes my argument more or less factual or relevant. The only way that could be true is if wealth determines correctness, again deliciously ironic.
You can't admit you were insensitive so of course I'm a rich asshole, you're not a dickhead I'm just too rich to understand your struggle. Gotcha, you're the victim not the people being factually bought and sold. Neat, moving on unless you have something worthwhile to say though I won't hold my breath.
Still avoiding pointing out where I doxxed myself, rich guy.
A very stupid lie indeed.
I don't need to answer questions you can't explain the pertinence of. What's next my mothers maiden and next of kin. Bank account number? Where do we draw the line on inane requests we can't explain the purpose of, the fact you haven't kinda of proves my point.