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Let's face it, the dems don't care about the commoners, the republicans are actually pure evil, everyone was happy when that shitstain CEO got shot.

Maybe we should build on this momentum we have to drive actual change at the political level.

my first act as president in 2029 would be to issue a full and unconditional pardon of the billionaire killer.

edit:

well alrighty then, followup question, does anyone want to join my newly formed political party? I'm going to start working on drafting our mission statement, or manifesto or whatever it should be called.

Further Edit: I set up a lemmy community for us to post shit about it. If you want to join, that's our official, unofficial space. https://lemmy.world/c/newpoliticalparty

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

No. Socialists of the past have never won any political victories by saying "rich bad," the victory comes from presenting alternative solutions like public ownership and central planning. What you are describing is adventurism, not a genuine revolutionary movement.

I suggest you read my intro to Marxism list.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean the French revolution would like a word with you.

Also rich bad. It's demonstrably true that rich people are completely disconnected from reality and will step on anyone to maintain their wealth.

It is not all of them, but it is most of them. History has always seen class warfare and this time is not different .

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The French Revolution was a bourgeois revolution. It deposed the monarchy, but unlike what the Paris Commune tried to achieve, the Bourgeoisie became the new owners of the State. Proletarian Revolution needs organization and unity.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Fair.

What more powerful motivator than the common rich folk being subject to an entirely different life, government, justice system, etc?

Hopefully people wise up that class warfare never ended.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

That is one useful motivator, that can be combined with Socialist and Communist theory of organization to actually successfully overthrow and replace the previous system.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Shitting on the rich has most definitely worked in MANY situations.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Only when combined with actual practical plans in place beforehand.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No. This platform is "rich bad." It doesn't present an alternative, it preserves existing systems that give rise to wealth disparity without tackling them and presenting an alternative.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oops. I meant the community that OP started. It's a place to hammer out those details on top of RICH BAD.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

People have already hammered out those details, the most major arguments are on the basis of Anarchism or Marxism. OP didn't invent anything, the answer lies in the past. PSL already exists, as does FRSO, what specifically is wrong with these where an entirely new party is necessary?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I didn't actually say socialism though, did I? I mean, I'm a socialist, but I think we have to just focus on shitting on the rich, because it's easy and people will be able to join in.

I'm also not ruling out throwing actual shit at the rich.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If your only platform is uniting on hatred, and have no actual plans in place for improvement, you just become terrorists, rather than revolutionaries. Something being "easy" doesn't mean it is effective. Lenin actually wrote about such a group, the Socialist Revolutionaries, in the article Revolutionary Adventurism. The SRs had taken to advocating assassination as it "transfers power from the elites to the masses" (something historically false) and declared that theory was bad, because it can get in the way of unity. Such directionless action ultimately doesn't change anything.

Hating the Capitalists is well and good, but without a unified plan to replace them, the hate becomes the goal and nothing gets better. That's why we can celebrate the death of this bozo while recognizing nothing will change because of it unless the workers get organized.