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Billionaires Are Lying Shamelessly to Convince Us To Destroy Our Government
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You were just arguing against this kind of government, but now you are all for it? Make up your mind. 'the bill of rights' means nothing without a government enforcing it.
In any case, this shows just how ignorant you are to the world around you. Documents protecting the rights of the populace aren't exclusive to the US, nor were they the first to write them, look up the magna Carta, written in medieval times; or the Hammurabi code, one of the first written legal documents that protected the weak and the vulnerable.
What's more, most countries today also have these protections written in their respective constitutions, so this whole "the US is special" talk is just propaganda you ate
The US Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, in part protect the people from the government. Think about it.
The US Constitution and the Bill of Rights (which, btw, is part of the Constitution, so that's redundant) are just pieces of paper. The only reason they mean anything is because of the implicit threat of violence/force by the state. It's literally the way society exists.
No, the papers grant us rights if the government infringe they break the rules we break the rules.
Right, and whoever has more raw power wins. That's what it really boils down to, that's real politik. Shitty, but that's how it is. Because if you don't participate, the other people will straight up just kill you and take your land.
And who has the most raw power here, the largest (by far) military in the world? Or...? That's the "natural order" that fascists want. "Might makes right."
The military is comprised of citizens with rights granted by the same documents. I bet there is a large overlap between US patriots and service members.
And your definition of "patriot" is probably very different than theirs.
Would you mind stating your opinion more fully?
Again, most countries have these protections as well. The USA is not special in this regard. Most countries have a document detailing the rights and duties of the people along with the obligations and limits to the state. And obviously, these documents are intrinsically linked to the government and would fail to prove valuable in its absence. In layman's terms, you can't have your bill of rights 'protecting people from the government' without having a government in the first place, as the mere document itself is a product of governance and part of the social contract
While it's true that many countries have documents outlining the rights and duties of citizens, the significance of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights can't be overstated.
These foundational documents were crafted with a specific emphasis on individual liberties and protection from government overreach, which sets them apart from similar documents in other nations. The fact that they're products of governance doesn't diminish their importance - it's precisely because they're rooted in the social contract that they've been able to shape American politics, law, and society in such profound ways.
You can't dismiss the unique historical context in which these documents were written, nor can you downplay the impact they've had on the country. The US Constitution and Bill of Rights have served as a beacon for democracy and individual freedom around the world, inspiring countless others to fight for their own rights and liberties.
So, while I appreciate your point that other countries have similar documents, I believe it's incorrect to imply that the US Constitution and Bill of Rights are just like any other. They're an integral part of American identity and a cornerstone of democracy - and that makes them truly special.
I appreciate your understanding, though I'm inclined to disagree. Of course I get the historical context in which they were written, but that doesn't make it exceptional. You say in the US you have emphasis on personal freedom and protections against government overreach, but many countries would pride themselves as well in their take about it. Even so, in the USA your police officers can detain you on a whim declaring possible suspicion and confiscate your belongings if they so wish. You speak of personal freedoms, yet you still have stricter laws compared to my country in some cases, like drinking, gambling and prostitution or even jaywalking. Or the existence of HOAs, that despite not being governmental agencies themselves, they are adjacent and speak of aspects of american life that are more regulated than in other countries. You also have eminent domain in the USA, where the government can legally force you to sell your land.
And we can keep on comparing examples on how life differs based on countries, but to get back on track, the american constitution and its accompanying bill of rights are not inherently more 'free' than any other countries constitution. Even more so when you take into account that many countries' constitutions were based partially on it, which itself was based on Roman law.
I understand how important they are to american speaking points, though, you said it best when you said it was an integral part of your perceived self image. But that doesn't detract from the reality that people in the USA aren't intrinsically 'more free' or have more freedom just because they are american, there are plenty of countries with comparable levels of rights and government overreach.