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I mean, Byron had to flee England for fear of lynching and Oscar Wilde spent two years in prison for homosexuality.
And the abolitionists weren't wildly popular but they were popular enough to win a broad base of support in the North.
And I'm sure folks a couple hundred years ago could multi task.
How is it a false equivalence though? The basic notion is that there are things you can be morally right on that may cause more actual harm.
Meanwhile, I only ever started this to answer someone's question. As I've said repeatedly, I don't think it's an effective tactic as you'd split the progressive vote.
That being said, culture war shit and immigration is what the Right is running and winning on.
If you want to reign in the rich and corporations on climate change, it ain't going to come from the Right. So, we need to win elections.
It's false equivalence because, again, these are two separate scenarios.
The first is your hypothetical assumption based off of a completely different culture and time period, and the second is, you know, the here and now in the present day. Factual reality.
Arrogantly going "well I think this would've gone badly if they did something completely different totally equates to what's happening now" is a pretty ballsy form of false equivalence. You can't even come up with a real scenario to compare the present situation with.
Are you misunderstanding how a hypothetical sistuation works? Or how analogies work?
The basic idea is that it is difficult to picture an important movement, like the abolition movement, succeeding if they had expanded their mandate to include all groups, even if it would have been the right thing to do.
Similarly, while the Left has the moral highground, not all of society is with the Left yet. And so, we're being painted as wacky folks trying to do some crazy shit and we keep losing elections.
Why do you think almost every Far Right leader rallies against Woke? From Bolsanaro, Orban, La Pen, Meloni to trump, it's been a winning issue with a majority of voters. I'm old enough to understand that elections have serious consequences and that winning them matters. If a common thread that seems to win majority support across the world keeps coming up, heck, maybe it's time to look at it.
I think you really don't know what a false equivalence is.
So yeah, could tell you about how the exit polls said most people voted based on the economy and it wasn't because Democrats hint at helping trans people or how the right demonizes them.
Or that your strategy of trying to become diet conservative doesn't work, especially since the Democrats have and are basically doing that.
Or that the same goal could be achieved by getting more election and voting change, like ending gerrymandering and putting in ranked choice voting.
Or maybe I'd meet you halfway and say if the Democrats decided to rebrand stuff as "helping all Americans" rather than outright saying that it's for trans people, they might get some of working class rural Americans on their side. Maybe.
But since you don't figure out what a false equivalence is, I'm not sure you'd really get it, ya know?
And since you're willing to throw my friends' lives away rather than look at other options, I'm not really keen on talking to you much.