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Remember kids, only genociders are allowed to fight, victims must meekly submit or be Just As Bad(tm)
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this post was submitted on 20 Nov 2024
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Sure they both launch big bombs at each other
one side has ten missiles (and a buddy that can give them ten more)
the other side has a thousand
doesn't matter what anyone likes to argue, people are going to die and the only way to stop is to negotiate
"An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth leaves a world full of blind, toothless people"
The last time Ukraine surrendered to Russia, Russia genocided 10% of their population. That was after their so-called "peace".
When the side you are negotiating with is a bully that keeps "negotiating" after invading more of your homeland and will just do that again in a few years, you stop negotiating and take what is yours back and make sure they remember that.
Sometimes negotiating amounts to enabling.
This isn't anything to negotiate. Ukraine doesn't want to fight, but Russia is attacking them on their own land. If you had any principles you'd also be willing to die on that hill. Their way of life and very existence is threatened. This isn't like haggling over a car
Why focus on the missles and not focus on Russia who started the war and who could literally end it if they wanted to? Their entire negotiations revolve around "give us what we want or else".
Yes, because as we know Ruzzia has a wonderful track record with negotiations and can 100% be trusted to Do the Right Thing™
OK agreed there, but question, what if the only negotiation the other side offers is "We take all your stuff and you serve us".
Agreed. Ukraine won't exist if everyone there's dead. As is they're going to have a demographic crisis. Continuing the fight might actually be the genocide people here are apparently afraid of
Please look up the definition.
So Ukraine should just roll over and let Russia try to wipe out Ukrainians from the country? Seems like that nice little saying only applies when you're not talking about a war instigated by a psychopath.
Oh cool, let's negotiate for genocide. That way people will stop dy-
Oh, genocide means the exact opposite?
Huh. Weird.
And refusing an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth leaves a world subdued into abject slavery by people willing to commit violence on innocents to get whatever they want - including the thrill of committing violence on innocents.
This is "Gandhi writing to Britain and saying they should surrender to the Nazis because nonviolence is the highest principle" level bullshit.
That only works if the other guy stops punching you when you try to negotiate.