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I have mixed feelings about this prosecution of ai deepfakes.
Like obviously people should have protection against becoming a victim of such and perpetrators should be held accountable.
But the line “feds are currently testing whether existing laws protecting kids against abuse are enough to shield kids from AI harms” would be a incredibly dangerous precedent because those are mostly designed for actual physical sex crimes.
As wrong as it is to create and distribute ai generated sex imagery involving non consenting people it is not even remotely as bad as actual rape and distributing real photos.
I don't think you're on the right track here. There are definitely existing laws in most states regarding 'revenge porn', creating sexual media of minors, Photoshop porn, all kinds of things that are very similar to ai generated deep fakes. In some cases ai deepfakes fall under existing laws, but often they don't. Or, because of how the law is written, they exist in a legal grey area that will be argued in the courts for years.
Nowhere is anyone suggesting that making deepfakes should be prosecuted as rape, that's just complete nonsense. The question is, where do new laws need to be written, or laws need to be updated to make sure ai porn is treated the same as other forms of illegal use of someone's likeness to make porn.
Creating and distributing anything should be legal if no real person suffers during its creation and if it's not intended at defamation, forgery, such things.
Bruh how is creating and distributing a non-consensual nude-ified picture of a young girl not a cause for suffering for the victim? Please, explain that to the class.
Did you just not go to school as a kid? If so, that would explain your absolute ineptitude on this topic. Your opinion is some real "your body, my choice" kind of energy.
There's a legitimate discussion to be had about harm reduction here. You're approaching this topic from an all-or-nothing mindset but there's quite a bit of research indicating that's not really how it works in practice. Specifically as it relates to child pornography the argument goes that not allowing artificial material to be created leads to an increase in production of actual child pornography which obviously means more real children are being harmed than would be if other forms were not controlled in the same fashion. The same sort of logic could be applied to revenge porn, stolen selfies, or whatever else we're calling the kind of thing this article is referring to. It may not be an identical scenario but I still think it would be fair to say that an AI generated image is not as damaging as a real one.
That is not to say that nothing should be done in these situations. I haven't decided what I think the right move is given the options in front of us but I think there's quite a bit more nuance here than your comment would indicate.
I think this is probably a really good point. I have no issue with AI generated images, although obviously if they are used to do an illegal thing such has harassment or defamation, those things are still illegal.
I'm of two minds when it comes to AI nudes of minors. The first is that if someone wants that and no actual person is harmed, I really don't care. Let me caveat that here: I suspect there are people out there who, if inundated with fake CP, will then be driven to ideation about actual child abuse. And I think there is real harm done to that person and potentially the children if they go on to enact those fantasies. However I think it needs more data before I am willing to draw a firm conclusion.
But the second is that a proliferation of AI CP means it will be very difficult to tell fakes from actual child abuse. And for that reason alone, I think it's important that any distribution of CP, whether real or just realistic, must be illegal. Because at a minimum it wastes resources that could be used to assist actual children and find their abusers.
So, absent further information, I think whatever a person whats to generate for themselves in private is just fine, but as soon as it starts to be distributed, I think that it must be illegal.
"The deepfakes are often used to extort, harass or bully minors, she says, and are easy to make because of the many sites and apps that will "nudify" an image."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/deepfake-minors-porn-explicit-images-1.7385099
Read my comment again.
My advice to you would be to improve your reading comprehension before judging this way.
In particular, the word "defamation".
You would be fine with AI-gen porn images of your teenage daughter being distributed around the internet?
I take it, the word "defamation" is not part of your lexicon.
The issue being discussed does not fall under defamation.
Making forged pics of someone else falls under defamation.
It's very clearly not rape, sexual abuse, child pornography or non-consensual pornography.
Meanwhile in reality check out what she is distributing through Snapchat and only fans... Maybe pursuing the actual crimes first then if there's spare resources go after fiction.
Big "but what was she wearing?" energy here.
I don't give a shit if she's doing Shein bikini hauls on Youtube. If you use AI to nudify her pictures, you're manufacturing child pornography, and deserve the full consequences for doing that.
As for OnlyFans, they are quite strict about age requirements. Children aren't running OF accounts. You just hate women and needed to bring up OF to slut-shame.
Somebody in non US satellite foreign state can go and do that now from the youtube "bikini hauls" since they publicly avaoialble
What are you or the feds gonna about that, chief?
If that is your or her concern, don't post pictures online. Otherwise, you are literally the mercy of the internet. Privacy 101.
I am sure giving feds extra powers on this won't end like everything else, ie abused against lesser peons.
No, equating this to an actual child being raped is incorrect. These are not crimes of remotely equal magnitude.
Comparing a person who raped a child, made photos and distributed them to a person who used Photoshop or an AI tool is, other than just evil, reducing the meaning of the former.
It is weird how hard you have been defending the production of child pornography in this thread.