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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

China has a system where you have an obscenely large legislative body (almost 3,000 members) select a standing committee of a more reasonable size which actually does the bulk of the legislative work on a day-to-day basis. I think this is a good system to copy or take ideas from.

Or at least, that is how it is supposed to work on paper. In reality the standing committee is staffed with the most loyal and powerful Government cronies and the National People's Congress is a rubber-stamping body rather than a venue for genuine political debate and expression.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

also, with 3k MPs, that's one for every... half a million people.

that would give most countries a government small enough to fit in a classroom.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It isn't a big concern as none of them represent any constituents in any meaningful way. Their job is to smile, wave, and clap. And wear an ethnic costume if you're a designated token minority. Each member of the National People's Congress represents zero citizens.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

of course it doesn't really matter in that particular case. i was more thinking about how it would work in a country with an actually functioning government.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If we allow the least populous state, Wyoming, to have three representatives, then that gives about 192,000 constituents per representative. So the House of Representatives would have about 1,720 members. Some substantial remodelling of the Capitol may have to be done. This would be enough people to fill a concert hall, but that's not undoable.

Fill the standing body by collecting nominations. Each member can nominate exactly one member to the standing body. A member who collects exactly ten nominations will sit in the standing body. This means the standing body has 172 members.

A praesidium would be elected by the standing body's political groups consisting of a president and several vice-presidents. In a proposed American system, they would probably have the title "speaker" and "deputy speaker". In China, the praesidium consists of 178 people which is far too many. Nine is a more manageable number—one speaker and eight deputy speakers. The praesidium is an administrative body responsible for scheduling votes and establishing the rules of debate. It's likely that the standing body is the only place where legislation can be introduced and debated, and then it is presented to the larger body for ratification.

The speaker is the presiding officer of the entire assembly, but the members of the praesidium can rotate presiding over the standing body. This is intended to ensure the political neutrality of the praesidium (useless in China's case because everyone is a Communist but probably more effective in a hypothetical American adaptation).

In China, the standing body is plenipotentiary (has full legislative powers) when the entire Congress is not in session. This could also be the case under the American adaptation but the US Congress is almost always in session anyway. The standing body is in permanent session.

In essence, this creates a tricameral legislature.

There are some other powers that China's Standing Committee has that the American version wouldn't. Under the Communist principle of unified power, the Standing Committee also has the power to interpret the constitution. This is incompatible with the Western concept of separation of powers so it would be left out.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

the US? what part of "functioning" did you miss?

(/s, obviously)