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The dildo of consequences rarely arrives lubed.

I'm really not a fan of the cops arguing that the cyclist was partly to blame, though, and a €1000 fine is pretty damn low for breaking someone's leg and wrecking a good six months of their life.

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago (11 children)

There's always an excuse for drivers.

If a driver isn't paying attention, it doesn't matter what colour a cyclist's clothing are, or that they had a helmet on, or insanely bright lights.

And if excuses are being shifted onto cyclists, what about pedestrians and buildings that drivers smash into on a regular basis? What excuse do you have then?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago (8 children)

As someone living in Sweden, I have seen pedestrians and bicyclists wearing dark coloured clothing during autumn nights, they just disappear in the background and VASTLY reduce the distance I can see them at, they just pops out from the background only when you are close to them.

This is not s simple driver issue, these is people who seems to deliberately dress in camo, and then complain that drivers don't pay enough attention.

I am not asking everyone to wear a high-viz vest all the time, but please get a reflector and show that you have some self preservation instinct

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Of course, I've experienced this myself (pedestrians wearing all back on trails at night).

But the responsibility still rests with the driver.

In this case, it was argued that their view was obstructed, which should have meant they slowed down and paid attention even more. Nobody should be driving blindly.

The cyclist here did have a rear light, and was rear ended.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

You are right that noone should be driving blind, I fully agree with that, and yes I know that the driver is ultimately legally responsible for the safety of unprotected people in traffic.

But where does the responsibillity of the pedestrian end?

I wrote a rudiculous extreme scenario in another comment in this thread about a person in a ghillie suit playing hide and seek near a road which lead to an accident, please feel free to respond and tell me who you feel are responsible and why in that situation.

There are no right or wrong answers to that scenario, I am simply trying to take this kind of scenario to the edge to try and figure out what the limits are

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 hours ago

about a person in a ghillie suit playing hide and seek near a road which lead to an accident

Did they intentionally try to get hit or cause a crash? If yes, then they bare some (or all) responsibility.

But people wearing regular clothes should not be punished.

We never, EVER see motorists involved in crashed be blamed because they were driving a back car.

This particular crash happened on a lit roundabout where the cyclist apparently had a rear light. The driver was either going too fast, or wasn't paying enough attention.

But where does the responsibillity of the pedestrian end?

This is a good thought experiment. There are legal answers, but logically, blame could be given to a pedestrian when the norms are broken (i.e. suddenly changing lane on a path while oneone is trying to pass).

As a cyclist, or motorist, I make a huge effort to ride defensively. If not to avoid people, then to avoid animals popping out of nowhere.

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