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Not if we decide to not let it happen.
It will take significantly more pain for the fat and comfortable imperial core that is the continental US to be open to such things. Incidentally, it's that exact pain Trump appears eager to inflict. So we'll have to wait and see.
This is definitively the president that the country has chosen. What's there to not let happen?
Well, Biden could legally have him killed by seal team six.
I'm not advocating for anything, just pointing out what trumps lawyer successfully argued.
Well considering the seal that killed bin Laden is a loud Trump supporter, their probably just turn around and kill Biden
That's the problem--it wouldn't matter. Trump isn't the problem, the problem is a huge percentage of the country who wants to elect him. If it's not him, it'll be someone just as bad. Hell, I wouldn't put it past people to vote Putin himself in.
The problem is there are only two candidates to choose from.
That's one of the problems, for sure. First-past-the-post is a terrible voting system, and the electoral college is a mess. Unfortunately, I can't blame those problems for the outcome of this election. Trump won decidedly--the larger percentage of American people want him, as unfortunate as that is.
Even if someone wins an election by a lot, the nature of voter turnout in the US means they at best represent like a third of the people. The fascists don’t outnumber us in reality, just in a political system that will allow them into power before even a social democrat.
Doesn't look like that from where I'm standing.
If you completely ignore how the electoral system works, sure. Back in reality, we have elections which, largely due to voter disenfranchisement efforts, only at best only account for ~60% of the country, only about half of which go to the fascists. So less than a 1/3rd of the country, and even that comes with the caveat that their other option sucks too.
They only get power because the system is set up to favor them and the state needs to use violence to enforce the will of that minority on everyone else. We have the numbers to change things for the better, we just lack the organization to make that happen because of a century of efforts to violently repress those organizations and socially isolate people.
So you can keep being a misanthrope by pretending most of the people aren't worth saving or you can recognize your fellow humans and work with them to do something about it.
This argument was persuasive when Trump lost the popular vote and still became president due to the election system being ridiculous, but not now that's he's got far more support than Harris. It's time you faced that most of the USA is actually fine with Trump's fascism.
By “popular vote,” you mean the % of people who voted. I’m talking about the country overall. Which includes people who didn’t get off work, have a handful of understaffed polling places, no good public transportation to get them to polling places, imprisoned people, people screwed my voter registration laws, etc. and that’s not even counting people too young to vote.
Your view only makes sense if you ignore literally everything about the broken US electoral system and all the other systems that touch it.
All these people made to to vote four years ago. Don't tell me situation got so much worse under Biden. You're just looking for excuses.
Oh so the turnout last time was 100%? I guess someone should go fix the data then.
I feel like he should attempt to order that to see if anyone is willing to carry it out, for no other reason than to see if they're willing to do the same when Trump orders it.
please not seals, pick any other sof unit
seals will get book deal before even they're done
How do you make a navy SEAL cry?
Tell him his book isn't selling.
Bit late for that is it not?
Mans might be implying something a bit more kinetic, nahmean?
About 3 or 4 inches to the right, I think is what's being implied here.
I'm expecting that to happen, from his own camp. It'd be a perfect excuse to pull another Patriot Act and turn the screws just a bit more, pushing the nation further into an authoritarian police state.
Can we at least get a thorough recount to be sure this election wasn't tampered with? It's a dream scenario with 15% less voter turnout even for the right (more on the left). They'd call for one if Harris won, they got one last time.
Democracy and fighting fascism doesn't happen once every X years
Barring something extreme, probably so. There might be legal challenges available but it does not look like Pennsylvania was close enough to possibly flip.
Mutual aid will be more important than ever, join and build up your local groups if you're able, it will pay off in dividends in the coming years.
This election has only proven how electoralism cannot be relied upon, it's just us now. We need to build the world we want to live in, without corporate influence.
We have tremendous collective power if we just use it, and hopefully this outcome will result in us coming together and building that world in the shell of the old. Collective solidarity is our only solution left.
Beware of the brownshirts in your local community.
Thank you for this comment. I no longer feel quite as hopeless as I did before. I need to focus on doing something to improve something.
Glad to hear it :)
If enough of us join in, we'll be a force to be reckoned with!