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What on earth did sh.itjust.works do?
I saw that Beehaw defederated from them, and it's just confusing to me. There's all kinds of weird nonsense coming from lemmy.world, that defederation makes complete sense to me, but... what did sh.itjust.works do? They seem fine.
What are the toxic communities? Did I just miss them so far? I really don't understand.
beehaw defederates from like every instance with more than a thousand users. they are bizarrely insular
Beehaw gives me weird, cult like vibes. You MUST be happy and positive, or you're OUT. I'm probably entirely wrong, but that's how they come across to me when I started looking into their rules when I thought about creating an account.
I once got a moderator warning there for calling an idea "stupid".
It's toxic positivity.
Beehaw defederated from everyone and wanted to become their own thing. Didn't work out well for them. I joined beehaw initially and then got banned after I commented on a post asking how queer people feel about queer movements. I said pride today is largely just advertising and virtue signalling instead of actual activism, that I only ever had my sexuality questioned by queer folk as opposed to religious or straight folk. I got banned. Anyone commenting anything negative about their experiences also got booted.
SJW is more of a moralist community with some conservatism, at least from my experience. Back when it was popular, everything was driven by community input and voting.
I'd like to move this community to .world since it's larger, but there's no way to transfer communities and I don't think the Lemmy devs are quite willing to add any such feature
.world is a little too block/defederation-happy. I moved from .world to SJW because they blocked a piracy community.
Please don't. LW centralization is already quite bad, and prevents Aussie.zone from staying uptodate
SJW hosts two communities that probably generate 99% of the issues/hate our instance gets: NonCredibleDefense, which is basically just edge-y military shitposting, and this community which is entirely based around making fun of tankies.
In NCD some of the takes can be really hot, but I'm usually pretty sure it's a joke. Sometimes it can go too far, though.
This com is fine idk. Unless you're a tankie and you come here to read about yourself getting mocked, I guess.
NCD is easy to tell if it's a joke. If it sounds like it's out of a looney tunes episode or something that should be, (but isn't yet) a war crime... Then they are completely serious. If they're giving anything that sounds like credible analysis then they're joking.
As an example, advocating the use of "Rods from God". Those are tungsten telephone poles accelerated towards the planet from orbit. They are not nuclear but you wouldn't know the difference from the result.
Versus soberly relaying that Western Anti Tank Missiles are having trouble tracking Russian tanks due to burner pots the tanks drag behind them.
Yeah.. Now that I think of it, NCD is where I first spotted jarring content.
It's mostly been them (•_•)
Tankies are allowed in this community so long as they can behave
ok 👍
I didn't mean to imply they aren't allowed- just that I don't think anyone would really consider this community an issue unless they're a tankie that's mad about being mocked.
They are kind of mad about everything tho
NCD has a user that promotes the use of illegal chemical weapons. This screenshot comes from a thread where we were discussing federation where these posts are saved to servers we pay for. This isn't fair and toxic that we are targeted like this.
This isn't funny. Nobody is subhuman and nobody deserves to suffer in a gas attack and this isn't something that we want on our server. We do not deserve to be targeted and mocked like this for posting online or opinions. We wanted to have a discussion about it and instead people posted it immediately on a meta community to manipulate votes and opinions.
I am not a tankie but I do not need to silence them or mock them this community and targeting people is extremely toxic.
Uh. That literally comes from a thread on chemical weapons in the US Civil War and somebody discussing whether chemical weapons are actually effective. I'm starting to think you're not arguing in good faith.
I can see that. I never messed around with NCD for this exact reason, but I viewed them as an outlier on SJW, mostly.
My understanding is that we had open registration and that led to a very small amount of spam posters. Apparently we were a moderation concern.
I’ve certainly downvoted people in this instance but I can’t remember the last time something particularly egregious occurred
I never understood why people are so quick to defederation. The block button seems to work for me.
That might work for a personal account but as a mod or admin that isn't really an option if users from another instance regularly come to your community to cause trouble.
But then you can't flex your might as an instance owner. Its always more fun to torce people to think as you do.
For Beehaw, it's for historical reasons. In June 2023 LW and SJW became the largest instances, and hence had the largest number of toxic users. Beehaw estimated that the moderators were not doing enough to moderate those users, thus defederated.
If you look at Beehaw, they are still on 0.18.3. It's unclear whether they will switch to another software like Piefed or Mbin, but they don't want to update to the latest Lemmy versions.
Being defederated from LW and SJW cuts them from most of the users and content, but they seem happy that way.
Beehaw is pretty much whatever that one admin wants. They post constantly and want to get rid of anything they don't personally like.
Makes perfect sense, thank you.