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How can I vote for Kamala Harris if she supports Israel’s war? Here is my answer | Bernie Sanders
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They're using synpathy towards people suffering genocide to try and coral people to the polls. I've seen this before. What happened with Roe V Wade? Why are kids still in cages at the border? Why is minimum wage still so low?
Madam Vice President, too little has been done on issues that were previously promised. I cannot take these people at their word.
Want my vote? End support now. It's been a year of genocide with you at the right hand of Biden. All those lives lost happened on your watch. I will not be duped into voting for someone who has been complicit in commiting genocide, who is now promising to stop that same genocide because it happens to coincide with their political goals.
I will not support a genocide, on the promise of it being ended, only to wake up on January 21st just to hear 'Well, the situation is more complicated than just simply ending support, but I vow...!"
You've had a year to end it, and too little has been done to stop it. I will not vote for a genocidal candidate. I will not say that I support genocide by voting for these people. I will not be an accomplice.
It's sickening to think that they probably allowed the genocide to continue just to use it as a carrot to lead people to the ballot box, all the while lining the pockets of the military industrial complex.
Fuck off with your promises, you're in the White House now.
"If I can't have zero genocide then I don't care to vote against the candidate that is very likely to be even worse."
Especially with only two candidates with a chance of winning, a vote doesn't mean unconditional support for everything that candidate wants. Sucks, but if you want to make your wishes known more specifically, you have to do more than just vote (if even that) and complain on the internet.
Look at where we are.
The unfortunate thing is we can't have zero genocide. I just don't want to be complicit in supporting it. I didn't create this situation or these choices, I'm just responding to them.
Not voting would make you complicit in making it worse if Trump wins. Doing nothing is still a move.
The genocide is going to happen either way, as both candidates are in favor of it. The only choice I have in the matter is whether to to support those candidates with my vote or not. I am complicit by virtue of birthplace, that doesn't mean I have to actively support it by helping the lesser evil further their political goals.
You're not helping tankies defeat the allegations that they're braindead...
I never claimed to be a tankie, so allegations against them hold no weight with me.
They voted against both, dont be mad your candidate was so shit she couldnt clear a 'dont genocide' hurdle from a voter. Thats not either your faults or problems its Harris' problem.
The current system (or voter inertia) doesn't allow you to vote against both. One of them will win, your only decision is which one you want (or despise less). If your vote doesn't threaten their win, then when you vote for neither you're voting for the winner.
false premise.
Yes.
false conclusion.
Man, you're a mental pretzel. please re-read your statement a few times. think really hard on what you just said. come back when you realize how that statement works both ways and is beautiful nonsense.
You agreed that either Trump or Harris will win. Your vote can only threaten one of them, by voting for the other or an alternative candidate. Same with not voting, the winner won't care about your missing vote.
That means no action you take in the election will harm both candidates, ergo there is no way to vote against both of them.
mmmm. does it though? you think the goal is to harm one of their campaigns. its not. the goal is to do two things:
you can read my post history. I've been very clear on this goal. its the only reason I'm wasting my time atm doing this along with other activities the last 4 months I'd really rather not be wasting my time with. like composing emails to my critters reminding them my vote for them is at risk if the genocide continues.
What amazes me is individuals like yourself won't even put an ounce of effort into helping Palestinians. just a few hours a day, lie to a few pollsters, email your critters, maybe vote 3rd party for president if you live in a deep blue state.
If harris campaign is harmed by this, well I can hardly be blamed. I didn't chose her policy positions. I certainly wouldn't have chosen genocide as a platform. but people do weird things. like mentally contorting themselves into a pretzel to support a genocidal candidate when not doing so is much easier. I hope you manage to find your way, but I doubt it. 🤷♀️
I'm glad to see that you're doing more than just voting, which I was advocating for in the first post you answered.
yes unfortunately you're advocating for the 2nd shittest outcome. a flat harris win, when you could be advocating for a squeaker that leaves her position tenuous and her leadership within the dem party weak. please start lieing to your critters, exit polls, etc, and if possible vote against her in deep blue states.
I'm advocating for the outcome where the candidate that doesn't want to jail their opponents and use the military against protestors wins, so that you can continue to make your disagreement with parts of their policy known.
Same friend same. Im just increasing the likelihood that policy does change.
You realize that you're currently being con'd. Netanyahu wants Trump to win the presidential election, because he knows Trump will be friendly towards his genocidal actions. Netanyahu is doing everything in his power to extend this genocide so that he can stay in power; and so that he can keep single issue voters like you away from the polls.
Netanyahu knows that if he ended Israel's genocide before the election, the Biden administration would receive credit in playing a role in mediating the conflict. This would likely assure a Harris victory. By escalating the conflct, he is assisting Trump. Why would you think that this genocidal maniac is doing this?
So here you are, the single issue voter that is tuning out all of the other important issues. For example, Trump considers communist (all you genius tankies) some of the biggest enemies in the USA; or how Trump backers and policymakers wants to remove women's right to make decisions about their bodies.
Do I believe that Biden/Harris has done enough to help Palestinians? The answer is no. Do I believe Biden/Harris feels like Netanyahu and the Israeli government are in the wrong? Yes. Do I believe Trump feels like Israel is in the wrong? No.
So even if this is your single issue, as an American living thousands of miles from Israel, your best way to assist Palestinians right now is to put someone in the Whitehouse who at least views them as human-beings. By not voting or voting third-party, you're not helping anyone but yourself. You are doing it so you don't need to "feel bad" about crossing some morale boundary.
Listen man, if that's the route you want to go, then fine. But I'm gonna go ahead and waltz my sorry butt to the polls and cast my vote for the person who will more likely do something to assist Palestinians even if I feel like I'm crossing a moral boundary. Am I gonna feel good doing it? No. But it's the better decision to make, especially considering all the other important issues that surround this election beyond the Palestinian genocide.
Wall of text nonsense. If trump wins thats Harris' fault not mine. She's run a shit campaign and alienated the left thinking she can dislodged voters feom trump, thats her decision.
Bibi has no bearing on this. Hes happy as a clam either way.
And gaza is just the issue im using here i have a laundry list of problems with harris. Its the easiest to explain and easiest to build support for.
Finally if you think voting for harris in a 20+ dem state is going to help trump win you're full of shit. The best way we can fuck bibi is by getting harris to about face on israel and the best way to do that is nose dive her support in deep blue states. She'll still win but her credibility with congressional reps wont hold water.