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If Trump wins the election, US cities are at risk of military takeovers and mass deportations (www.theguardian.com)
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Senior Democrats in US cities are preparing to defend their communities in the event of Donald Trump’s return to the White House after the former president has repeated threats that he would use presidential powers to seize control of major urban centers.

Trump has proposed deploying the military inside major cities largely run by Democrats to deal with protesters or to crush criminal gangs. He has threatened to dispatch large numbers of federal immigration agents to carry out mass deportations of undocumented people in so-called “sanctuary” cities.

He also aims to obliterate the progressive criminal justice policies of left-leaning prosecutors.

“In cities where there has been a complete breakdown of law and order … I will not hesitate to send in federal assets including the national guard until safety is restored,” Trump says in the campaign platform for his bid to become the 47th US president, Agenda47.

Trump provoked uproar earlier this week when he called for US armed forces to be deployed against his political rivals – “the enemy within” – on election day next month. But his plans to use national guard troops and military personnel as a means to attack those he sees as his opponents go much wider than that, spanning entire cities with Democratic leadership.

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I never understood why it's something that Dems want to hide. There is a pretty damn large portion that want to repeal the 2nd.

https://time.com/5216782/john-paul-stevens-repeal-second-amendment/

https://newrepublic.com/article/166628/democrats-repeal-second-amendment-guns

https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/house-joint-resolution/81

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/09/opinions/gun-reform-second-amendment-repeal-uvalde-shooting-press/index.html

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/repeal-second-amendment-gun-control/

https://www.amazon.com/Repeal-Second-Amendment-Safer-America/dp/1250244404

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/national-firearms-act

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a19608552/major-owens-second-amendment-repeal/

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2019/bills/SCR42_.pdf

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2022/07/11/jayland-walker-highland-park-uvalde-second-amendment/7809531001/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p

Because the poll has somehow vanished...

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/one-in-five-americans-wants-the-second-amendment-to-be-repealed-national-survey-finds/

In February, for instance, the Economist and YouGov asked Americans whether they supported a repeal of the Second Amendment. Just 21 percent said they favored such a proposal, compared to 60 percent in opposition.

The poll does, however, show surprisingly robust support for Second Amendment repeal (39 percent) among Democrats (by contrast just 8 percent of Republicans would support a full repeal).

So can we stop pretending that support to repeal and ban all guns isn't something that is the end goal?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lmao, throwing the kitchen sink at us and hoping we won't check the details?

  1. Retired Supreme Court Judge

  2. Opinion article saying Democrats should, by a staff writer

  3. A House Bill from 20 years ago with no co-sponsors, that didn't even make it out of committee.

  4. A Podcaster's opinion article

  5. Opinion article saying Democrats should, by a staff writer

  6. College Professor wrote a book

  7. The law saying you can't have fully automatic weapons, (LMFAO, really? you think that's a repeal of the second?)

  8. An article about the the representative from number 3, who again, acted alone, admitted he acted without party support, and admitted it was little more than a political stunt. Thank you for giving us the first real evidence that Democrats are not trying to ban guns or repeal the second.

  9. Some state legislators asking for a clarifying amendment. Which, (checks notes), yup completely ignored by the party.

  10. A paywalled opinion piece by a staff writer.

  11. Your Seattle Times article puts those numbers in the correct light, because 39 percent isn't a majority or anywhere near enough to force action on the national level.

But public-opinion polling shows it would take a lot of persuading to bring the public around to that view. In February, for instance, the Economist and YouGov asked Americans whether they supported a repeal of the Second Amendment. Just 21 percent said they favored such a proposal, compared to 60 percent in opposition.

So no. The answer is no. Because despite using eleven sources you could not find any evidence the democrats are actually trying to ban all guns. Even if we repealed the second amendment it wouldn't ban all guns, it would just open the opportunity to regulate them.

I will however say that every time the GOP offers thoughts and prayers over the bodies of children, that number grows and once it reaches a tipping point a ban will be inevitable and there will be no glorious civil war because support will just be that high. If the GOP backed off for even a second and allowed red flag laws and universal background check, and had their state AGs prosecute those laws then there would be less shit for law abiding gun owners to wade through. Which is why 75 percent of Americans support Universal Background Check and Gun Licensing. The country is still willing to work with you, that may not be true in a another decade with a hundred more high profile mass casualty events at schools.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Lmao, throwing the kitchen sink at us and hoping we won't check the details?

? You asked for sources, I provided them and you complain...way to start out.

  1. Retired Supreme Court Judge

A democrat appointed judge. Guess he doesn't count some how.

  1. Opinion article saying Democrats should, by a staff writer

Ah yea another Democrat that doesn't count...got it.

  1. A House Bill from 20 years ago with no co-sponsors, that didn't even make it out of committee.

So...a bill from a Democrat...but doesn't count...this is going to be a trend with you isn't it?

  1. A Podcaster's opinion article

Another Democrat that doesn't count...

  1. Opinion article saying Democrats should, by a staff writer

Yep definitely a trend...

  1. College Professor wrote a book

A democrat got it... doesn't count

  1. The law saying you can't have fully automatic weapons, (LMFAO, really? you think that's a repeal of the second?)

I forgot how death by 1000 cuts doesn't count...you sound like a anti-abortion mouth piece saying abortion can still be had in other states, but it's fine to be banned in red ones.

  1. An article about the the representative from number 3, who again, acted alone, admitted he acted without party support, and admitted it was little more than a political stunt. Thank you for giving us the first real evidence that Democrats are not trying to ban guns or repeal the second.

Sooo yep... doesn't count because they're not true Democrats? I hear this a lot from Republicans when they try and refute points...

  1. Some state legislators asking for a clarifying amendment. Which, (checks notes), yup completely ignored by the party.

So....(Checks notes) Not a real Democrat...got it.

  1. A paywalled opinion piece by a staff writer.

Another not real democrat...man you really think very few people are Democrats.

  1. Your Seattle Times article puts those numbers in the correct light, because 39 percent isn't a majority or anywhere near enough to force action on the national level.

So 39% aren't real Democrats is what you're saying?

So no. The answer is no. Because despite using eleven sources you could not find any evidence the democrats are actually trying to ban all guns. Even if we repealed the second amendment it wouldn't ban all guns, it would just open the opportunity to regulate them.

Got it no real Democrats..

I will however say that every time the GOP offers thoughts and prayers over the bodies of children, that number grows and once it reaches a tipping point a ban will be inevitable and there will be no glorious civil war because support will just be that high.

Why are we talking about the shit stains in the GOP?

If the GOP backed off for even a second and allowed red flag laws and universal background check, and had their state AGs prosecute those laws then there would be less shit for law abiding gun owners to wade through.

You do realize a good chunk of the GOP supports ERPOs right? But again why are we talking about the GOP? That wasn't your question.

Which is why 75 percent of Americans support Universal Background Check and Gun Licensing. The country is still willing to work with you, that may not be true in a another decade with a hundred more high profile mass casualty events at schools.

We've had 15 mass shootings in schools since Columbine... we're going to need to have way more each year to get to 100 in under a decade. UBC requires a registery, but most people are to stupid to know this...and gun licensing is a joke.

None of that is going to stop or even dent gun deaths in this country.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If I have to acknowledge everyone who self identifies as a democrat then you have to acknowledge the Republicans and pro 2A groups are terrorists who should be hunted down and renditioned. After all, we're counting what every single person who self identifies with the group says right? Not their actual platform or actions?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If I have to acknowledge everyone who self identifies as a democrat then you have to acknowledge the Republicans and pro 2A groups are terrorists who should be hunted down and renditioned.

Lol wait wait you're suggesting that people who own guns and are pro2a are terrorists? Lol the fuck is wrong with you.

After all, we're counting what every single person who self identifies with the group says right? Not their actual platform or actions?

Lol you literally cannot fathom that there is a good chunk of the Democratic party that would ban all guns if they had the chance lol

PS suggesting that the repubs are pro2a is hilarious.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh no not at all, just that there are some. If I have to own a minority position, so do you.

Or we could converse in good faith and look at what the policy directions actually are.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh no not at all, just that there are some. If I have to own a minority position, so do you.

This is the issue, I'm not here defending the repubs, and you should know that. They're shit for gun rights, they use it as a wedge issue to get single issue voters to vote for them. Hence why my statement that the dems should drop gun control.

Or we could converse in good faith and look at what the policy directions actually are.

I've provided you sources, would you like me to show actual laws on the books from dems in deep blue cities/states that are doing the death by 1000 cuts way? They might not be able to repeal the 2nd but they're damn sure trying to make it impossible to own a firearm.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Dude if you had a smoking gun we'd have seen it by now. All you have is inference and FUD.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

You sound like every republican out there. "Nuh uh, that doesn't count"... that's what you're doing right now. Completely downplaying that more than a 3rd of democrats want the 2nd repealed....but sure you keep thinking otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

And it's still not party policy because a super majority don't want it. Weird how that works in a democracy.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 weeks ago

Cool, that still wasn't what we're were discussing...