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[–] [email protected] 16 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

What kind if escalation does putin have though? Hes bombing civilians, schools and hospitals. And the nUcLeAr saber rattling has been used so much the saber is all dull.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

But he's not bombing US hospitals. Read NATO, Article 5

[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Article 5 requires co-defense an attack occurs in the territory of NATO nations (or places occupied by members when NATO was created). It doesn't cover US forces getting put in harms way and attacked in a non-member country. It doesn't even cover troops getting attacked in Hawaii.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Which is the reason NATO joined the US is Afghanistan

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this comment, but NATO was in Afghanistan because the US mainland was attacked, not because some soldiers got attacked in a foreign country.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

NATO joined the US in Afghanistan well after 9/11. Fact is NATO will respond to the attack of any member's forces, if in their homeland or not. At sea, for instance.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That's just not true. These aren't arcane pieces of information, they're bureaucracy from an international treaty. You can just go read the NATO treaty, which defines what an attack is (Article 6). Or go read the history of the NATO in Afghanistan. Article 5 was invoked for the first and only time on September 12th not because troops got hurt later. Remember how the same thing didn't happen in any of America's other wars?

NATO will respond to attacks on forces at sea, but only in the North Atlantic or Mediterranean. It's not a general "if you hurt an American soldier anywhere" treaty.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Remember when NATO countries hit Libya?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That's not how article 5 works.