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Bruh I know the Overton window in the US is megafucked but she's literally one of our most liberal politicians by voting record, she is not "firmly right wing" by any reasonable standard
She's in favor of a fascist border policy against asylum seekers, a firm supporter of the fascist Zionist entity known as Israel, and wants to appoint members of the fascist party to her cabinet if she wins. She's been endorsed by architects of the Iraq war and the US torture program.
California's top cop is right-wing.
Their new slogan has that prominently on display, Country Over Party
*COP
Because your daddy is worse in their eyes.
If you find yourself agreeing with Dick Cheney on politics you might want to rethink your positions.
He doesn't like Trump because he's a destabilizing element. He agitates the masses against him and does stupid shit for no reason that makes allies and adversarie alike stop trusting the US. He's bad for business.
Harris will be good for the empire. That's it.
What if you find yourself agreeing with Repubs that you should vote for third parties over a Dem? Or is that different because saying so doesn't support the pro-MAGA campaigning you are here for?
Republicans clearly prefer that people not vote at all, which is why they have put so much effort and money into disenfranchisement.
No, let's focus on the question, thanks. They want left-leaning people who are voting to do exactly what you plan to do. Does that mean you should rethink your positions? I mean, obviously not, you're a MAGA campaigner. But in the context of your cosplay?
Somehow MAGA is worse than even Dick Cheney at this point and you are choosing to align with MAGA against the Dems. Meanwhile red-faced and screeching that Harris is accepting support from a former VP who has sway with people who might actually vote.
Okay, so, Republicans don't just want people to vote third party. They're very openly anti-libertarian and are kicking them off ballots, for example.
Their primary goal is to stop people from voting entirely, which is why the bulk of their money and legislative effort have gone into into disenfranchisement. Anyone choosing to sit this election out is definitely helping Republicans. And I am voting.
As for third parties, they only and specifically promote the Greens. Why them? It's because Greens are an unserious protest vote and Republicans are fine with that.
That's not me agreeing with you. Greens specifically are unserious because they're just another liberal party, they have no revolutionary agenda or plan to build real political power. They're just activism for the sake of activism. They show up every couple years and disappear between elections. Pure virtue signaling.
I'm voting PSL. You won't see Republicans promoting them. Greens are harmless. Socialism scares them.
We need to build a workers' party to fight the bipartisan dictatorship of capital. Build the workers' party, build class consciousness, militarize the unions, agitate the masses, become ungovernable, arm the working class, movement building. That's how we beat fascism. You won't beat fascism by voting for fascist collaborators like Harris
Republicans are working hard at disenfranchisement, therefore throw our votes in the trash so they can have another four years appointing SCOTUS theocrats who enable much of it. Smart.
You won't beat fascism by allowing nakedly fascist "I will be a dictator" guys into office.
All votes outside of a small cluster of swing states are thrown in the trash. 🙄
Sure. And that's why you're on here trying to convince swing state voters to throw theirs away.
I'm only defending and explaining my own choices. I think we should build a workers' party, if you think you need to vote Democrat go ahead. We just disagree.
TIL telling Harris voters they support genocide or calling them goose steppers is in no way attempting to influence their actions.
Removed for misinformation. Harris and supporters DO NOT support genocide.
Actually you say it because you are a genocide lover who wants Donald in office to do as much genocide as possible. More in Ukraine. Pogroms in Ohio.
You are not responsible. You have survivor guilt.
Gaza is an ongoing atrocity. I do feel awful. Allowing Donald in there will not fix it.
I do not feel any guilt over voting for Harris because the alternative is certainly worse.
If the alternative would end that atrocity, not assist Russia in invading Ukraine, nor do Blood Libel racist bullshit about Haitian immigrants I absolutely would accept whatever personal hardship if it meant ending an ongoing atrocity.
Donald is a racist demagogue who has already done one insurrection, running on a platform of explicit bigotry. I sure as fuck hope we don't find out what Nazi-style industrial genocide looks like when techbros are running it.
Right, so you don't feel any guilt.
Sorry, I just disagree. I think we are culpable.
This is really weird. You're happy for Trump to be elected because Cheney is so bad?!?
~~I will never be happy.~~
No that's not true. I'll be happy when the so-called state of Israel is defeated and pays for it's crimes.
And it will.
Not if Trump is elected, it won't!
Trump is far more likely to fuck things up.
...and fuck them up badly, in many ways, and in more than one country. Yes.
We're already in more than one country fucking things up. Trump, at least, is more likely to make the US overextend and lose.
If Dick Cheney told you he thought wearing a seatbelt was a good idea, you'd argue against him because clearly an idea is bad if a bad person has it.
Evaluate an argument on its merits, regardless of who endorses it.
Obviously he's not, like, a chaos demon. He presumably eats human food and all that.
But he's a monster and should be in prison, not giving endorsements. This is like being endorsed by Anders Brevik or some shit.
She should have rejected the endorsement. Instead she's embracing him. It's disgusting.
While true, that commenter is a very well known bad actor and provocateur. I recommend against engaging.
Don't mistake me for a Kamala Harris apologist- she is absolutely a huge centrist in her presidential campaign. I am tired of this false equivalency with the total fascist ilk she's running against. It's not useful and it's dishonest.
She is not a centrist, Bill Clinton was a centrist. With what she's proposing, her actions, and the endorsements she's fought for, she's on par with Trump. She may not say the quiet parts out loud like trump, but her actions speak louder than the words she's not saying.
Bullshit.
Fascist collaborators are not centrists.
I hate to be pedantic but that's almost exactly the definition of a centrist, someone who collaborates with both sides (even if one of those sides is fascist, genocidal, racist, etc.). And again, I don't disagree, it's a bad thing to be for exactly that reason. But it's also a different thing than being explicitly a right wing authoritarian fascist like Trump is.
A centrist collaborates with the right and left (mostly the right), but fascists are to the right of the right. They're far right, which is a distinct grouping from ordinary right-wing ideology. Fascist collaboration requires becoming right-wing, just to meet them halfway.