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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Anyone who is a realist is either lying to themselves or is still in bed. Idealism is what motivates us.

I used to think realism was the only way to effectively engage with reality. Now I see it as a failure to imagine. If we want to leave the status quo behind we have to be willing to spend our days chasing ideals. The way I want the world to be wont happen unless people, myself included, believe in it.

I have gotten through to people and I have seen other people do the same. Arguments can convince the people we argue with and the people who read the arguments to change their minds. Confronting people with logic and facts in the form of arguments is one of our most effective tools to change minds.

Our ages are irrelevant, but how heavily your argument is leaning on your age is starting to get silly. I'm 31. Please tell me you are older than 31.

You have the capacity to argue effectively. Please do so.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We’re going to have to agree to disagree here. Good luck man. I sincerely hope you’re not wasting your time and energy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I sincerely hope you’re not wasting your time and energy.

We've got 26 days left to advert a christo-fascist dictatorship. The consequences of failure will impact us all no matter where we live. Please use this time effectively. Please use your energy effectively in arguments.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree here. Good luck man.

Fascism is around the corner. This is a bizarre statement to make in the face of that.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Look man. It’s pretty clear to most people here, that the majority of “leftists” on lemmy aren’t leftists, but MAGA trolls trying to divide the vote. The rest are young idealistic people that don’t quite know how shit works just yet. And Young idealistic people are easily persuaded if you can outrage them effectively.

And that what has happened.

So… no.

You’re not going to move ground trying to convince people to vote here. The MAGA trolls aren’t going to budge, and the far-left accelerationists are salivating over watching America burn.

As I’ve said a few times- best of luck. I’m not trying to stand in your way, but convincing people on lemmy? That’s a tremendous waste of time.

Outside, in the real world?

Fuck yeah! Canvas the shit out of everthing you can. You’re spinning your wheels thinking these people are going to change their minds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The people online are real people. They have a wide range of beliefs. And again, it's not just people of one political position who are accelerationists. Communication online is no less real than if it was had in person. It's no less effective than any other form of communication. If people can be convinced by someone talking to them in person they can be convinced by reading text on an electronic device. The medium of communication does not legitimize or delegitimize any idea. The fascists use every medium of communication at their disposal because they know this. We should do so as well.

I do live in the real world. So I refuse to call it early. I have had experiences on Lemmy that contradict your argument. I personally know your argument's position to be false. I'm happy to talk to people in person when I get the chance, but I'm going to do what I can online while there is still time. Refuting accelerationist arguments is the least I can do. It's effective and more people should do it.