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Every day you wake up in the morning you can open up your phone and check new videos of murdered and mutilated children in Palestine at the hands of Israel.
You can go on a google search to find images of the 1989 Tiananmen protest and the violence that took place, very gore stuff. We're talking 1989, most cameras were analog, bulky and visible, and required professional developing afterwards. As censored as that's been in China, you can still find plenty of photo evidence of violence in and against the protests.
Yet, in 2025, somehow, in the smartphone era, when almost literally every Chinese adult citizen carries a camera in their pocket with internet access (and widespread non-prosecuted access of VPNs in China to bypass the great firewall), there isn't a shred of photographic evidence of violence against the Uyghur people. The claims start on 2019-2020, and in FIVE YEARS, it hasn't been possible to capture photographic evidence of the harrowing genocide?
my understanding is that it's at the point of erasure without outright murder at this time. being sent to concentration camps, forced labor, denied right to their culture, etc. the stuff that tends to come before mass killings, and the ultimate purpose of mass killings, is erasure of a group identity.
maybe it's not a genocide like in Bosnia but it's certainly problematic. the actions seem to be not far off from the ways indigenous americans have been erased, which is another place where the word "genocide" has been debated
There's no evidence whatsoever of forced labor, and calling the reeducation camps "concentration camps" is very misleading and not really based on actual evidence, just on misinterpreted Adrian Zenz anti-chinese propaganda.
In China, it's normal for teens 13 to 18 years old to be interned into boarding schools in which they study about 12h a day. In western Europe that would be considered child abuse, in China many see it as a rather normal thing.
This isn't to say there's probably been a degree of authority abuse and police state for an interval of time in Xinjiang as a consequence of counter-terrorism policy. But Uyghur culture and language are celebrated, people enjoy better living conditions than 10 years ago, and you can see the vibrant life and culture in Kashgar if you go watch any content from any content creator who's been in the area lately.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/2/china-targets-friendly-media-diplomats-to-tell-story-of-xinjiang
Also, if you cross a checkpoint in Xinjiang, and there are lots of them, you'll likely have your phone checked and be asked to delete disharmonious images by the armed guards at them.
And please forgive me if being forced to dance, have your culture commodified, and be an exotic other for Han men's gaze and touch doesn't fill me with vim and joy for the state of Kashgar.
I googled it and found a literal trove of evidence.
Here's a starting point since it's eluded you for so long.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Police_Files
How is this evidence of genocide? This is evidence for the existence of correction camps (which you can obviously criticise) during a very concrete period of time in Xinjiang over the span of a few years, not evidence of genocide
This was the point where you moved the goalposts and revealed you're not willing to discuss in good faith.
Have you read the picture which makes this post? It literally revolves around the word "genocide". Who's moving the goalposts here by saying "well maybe it's not a genocide but there's been some extent of police state during a counter-terrorism campaign"?
genocide, by definition, includes the erasure of a cultural group.
these camps are purpose built to erase a specific culture through "re-education". that is genocide.
Then why did the camps close after the few years it took for the counter-terrorism campaign to work? Why does Xinjiang have a regional government, with its chairman being an Uyghur man called Erkin Tuniyaz? Why are there above 100 Islamic associations in Xinjiang with imams teaching theology and Arabic?
That is misleading. Why did authorities try to stop BBC from filming?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=t28nnviKar4