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I mean take a look at South Africa's case. They have evidence of genocidal acts (causing significant harm to an ethnic group) and genocidal intent (the countless quotes from high ranking Israeli officials calling for genocide). It's genocide; it's just that the case is taking a while.
yeah, and if we take a look at south africas case, it's not "genocide" it appears that it has reasonable extent to be genocide. Which are two different things.
You're doing guilty until proven innocent here, which, is weird. Even weirder, when i see people calling for the literal denazification of israel.
As far as the two requirements go here, those are two very broad, and not very specific statements, genocidal acts is incredibly broad, so broad in fact that the vast majority of things that would apply, are probably not genocide. Intent is a lot clearer, but then you also have to consider military and governmental intent, rather than just personal statements. Civil intent is also a big problem here as well. I'm not convinced that the majority of israel literally wants to ethnically cleanse palestinians. Or that the governmental figures do to begin with, albeit they aren't doing themselves a favor when they say super sus shit like that either.
Though this is also the middle east, and from my knowledge, this kind of death toll and fighting is not unusual? They tend to have very aggressive opinions on this stuff for some reason.
so in summary here, you've basically said, well, it sort of looks like a duck, and the sound it makes is vaugely similar to a duck, so this weird silhouette behind the sheet here must be a duck, there is no possible alternative in this situation.
Also. wouldn't it follow, that if the evidence were SO telling in this case, that this legal case would probably be over a little bit quicker than it seems to be taking right now? It's weird that we're even deliberating on the verdict before it's happened, and it's even weirder that you seem to be 100% confident about it, even though im assuming you have basically the same knowledge level that i do on it.
Maybe i'm wrong, and you've written a PHD dissertation on conflict in the middle east, and have extensively studied israel and it's history, but i'm going to go out on a limb here and say since you're yelling at me on lemmy, you probably haven't.
Notice how im not 100% confident on the statements i make? Even though i'd be pretty willing to bet money on this, i'm still not going to authoritatively state it either. It's not really that hard to just, not be so aggressive about something this vile.
No, they're pointing at the video footage of someone committing a crime and accurately describing the crime
YOU are up and down this thread going "well ackshully by my limited definition and the fact that no court has ruled on it means this isn't genocide so nyeh!" Large chunks of text going in circles to argue for unreality
That's weird
yeah but that doesn't matter. What matters is the legal criminal proceedings. Unfortunately the israel palestine crowd has backed themselves into a corner here claiming that it's legally genocide, when they have a moderate basis of evidence for this. To my knowledge there hasn't been a single legal proceeding besides the ICJ case brought by south africa.
This is the entire basis of evidence you are working with here.
If i were to shoot you in the head with a gun. That would be a crime. However, i would only be charged with that crime after the courts have been run through and they determine that me shooting you in the head with a gun, is in fact, not legal.
This is vigilante justice to the highest degree because we're too impatient to do anything other than opinion based colonization because anybody who disagrees with this even moderately is clearly too brainrotted to engage in this thread.