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i think most of us already know that you cannot blindly apply soviet or chinese socialism to our respective states without considering the underlying reasons for reform and opening up and the rapid industrialisation of the soviet union. you can't just create a sez in fucking malmo and expect to become a socialist paradise in a month, this is obvious. once a socialist state or multiple pop up in europe or north america, in the near future, the first thing that would happen is, most likely, a complete blockade. the remaining capitalist states in europe or nato if thats still around would either invade you or sink any ships sailing into your ports. any semblance of socialism in the west, especially in the core, would be seen as an existential threat (correctly so, actually). and you dont have any manufacturing capacity at home and definenetly not enough to resist the combined military effort of the west. like, what the fuck do you do once you, as a deindustrialized state with an aging population, have your trade cut off and have to fight a war without any nearby allies? maybe the billions of climate refugees can aid any reindustrialization effort if thats on the table, but thats really not gonna be on the table as intervention would happens as soon as you take control, you just dont have the time. this is ignoring any russian or chinese interference or an unforseeable change in the global economic system within 10 or 20 years, of course. that could change a lot and would be desirable. but i cant and we cant predict exactly how that would change the equation here, so i dont know how i could consider that in the scenario.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

I think the first thing is "get nukes".

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago

The second thing is to never give up those nukes

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