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Scientists grow ‘lost tree’ mentioned in Bible using mysterious ancient seed
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 26 Sep 2024
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"I hear you're having trouble seeing. Put this perfume in your eye."
Yes, historical medicin was so good, lets work our ass off to recreate it...
It may have useful organic compounds. I’m mostly interested because it could be a nice incense
Many pharmaceuticals origate as natural remedies. You think they just came up with synthetic drugs out of thin air?
No, but the process to identify the ones that work is all part of the modern medicine. Before that, placebo and lack of scientific methods made it impossible to separate a working substance from snake oil.
That's how I feel every time someone touts "traditional Chinese medicine." Sure, ancient peoples knew about certain cures... they also didn't understand basic concepts like viruses.
What do you call alternative medicine that has been proven to work?
medicine
For people who hate the greed of the pharma industry, it's really amazing to see just how little logic it takes to destroy their arguments:
Exactly. My dad had and I have a painful nerve condition called trigeminal neuralgia. My dad was desperate to try anything, so he tried acupuncture. I asked him if it helped with the pain and he told me, "no, but the acupuncturist said it did." And then I asked him what it felt like, and he said, "it felt like someone stuck a lot of needles in my face."
My dad has lingering (in fact, worsened now that he's getting older) pain and contortions and his foot that was nearly severed when he was a teenager. He's very much not into alternative medicine and that sort of thing, but he finally decided to try acupuncture about two years ago. He says it helped. Only thing that has helped.
I'm still skeptical, but I'm a little bit less skeptical because he's the sort to be skeptical of it as well.
My laymans assumption is that acupuncture likely has a counterirritant effect, which can make pain seem less pronounced.
Sort of like how punching yourself in the side of the head can provide relief for a migraine.
I wonder if that might be the case. My dad said that it wasn't painful, so I'm not sure. The needles are apparently very thin.
I would expect, just like with pharmaceutical medicine, there is a placebo effect for some people and so it gets really complicated trying to determine how effective something like acupuncture is.
Jumping in to ask if you've tried carbomazapine (sp?) for the TN? My mom suffered for nearly 2 years with face shocks, sometimes dozens of times per day. That med is the only thing that helped, and we never had a doctor suggest it. I did my own research by looking up medical journals on my school's library and then asked the doc to prescribe it for her. Almost instant relief
Thanks, but mine is already handled via medication.
I mean people thought bleach could cure Covid…
To be clear, only a few people of a particular sort thought that.
Well it does ..but the side effects are killer.
By the same metric, neck tourniquets work wonders for headaches.
Well. It can’t all be snake oil.
I mean people get suspicious of snake oil literally cures… like… everything…
The funny thing is that actual chinese snake oil was incredibly effective at alleviating things like joint pain or some skin conditions. It has higher concentrations of omega 3s than fish oil and has even been shown to help mice learn mazes faster.
That's why grifters selling fake medicine all claimed it was snake oil - people already wanted snake oil because they knew it worked.
Wonder if anyone's given effort to synthesize it. Name like snake oil would fly off shelves like liquid death and emergen-c combined
Eyes aspirin suspiciously...pain reduction, anti-inflammatory, blood thinner, fever reduction. All-in-one package?
To add even more nonsense, you can get it naturally from the soft Underbark of willow trees.Literally eating this bark makes pain go away.
You're generally supposed to make tea from the bark. Eating it would not be pleasant.
So you're saying the bark is worse if you bite?
Basically all medication has side effects.
Aspirin works by blocking production of cyclooxygenase, which, causes platelets not to produce thromboxane A2, effectively permanently rendering affected platelets useless.
COX also reduces productions of prostaglandins which mediates pain- basically, causing your nerves to pay attention to pain signals. (I’m sure some one who’s actually a doctor or nurse is swearing at me by now…) and also triggers more inflammation.
COX also increases production of PGE2 (another prostaglandin,) which is what triggers the fever response.
This is how most NSAIDs work, though they each have other side effects, that are different from the others.
The people who interact with patients think you're great. Give people some info and make it easy to understand. It's the Ph.D. fella who did his thesis on cellular signaling focusing on nociceptor differences in distal/medial loci.
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Yes, willow bark is incredible!