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‘Oh My God!’ CNN’s Data Guru Stunned By Democrats’ 70-Point Shift on Israel (www.mediaite.com)

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CNN data guru Harry Enten broke down the latest polling in the Democratic Party on views toward Israel and the Palestinians on Wednesday and marveled at the massive shift in attitudes, declaring he’s “rarely” seen anything like it in his many years of looking at polling data.

Enten spoke to anchor Kate Bolduan in the context of Zohran Mamdani’s sweeping victory over ex-Gov. Andrew Cuomo in New York City’s Democratic Party mayoral primary last week.

"What are we talking about here? All right, who do Democrats sympathize more with: Israelis or Palestinians? In 2017, the Democratic Party was a pro-Israeli party. Look at this. They sympathized with the Israelis by 13 points—more with the Israelis than the Palestinians. But look at this sea change. Now, Democrats sympathize more with the Palestinians by 43 points.Oh my God! That is a change in the margin of 56 points over the course of just eight years. So all of a sudden, it’s the pro-Palestinian position that actually reigns supreme in Democratic politics, not the Israeli position. And that is part of the reason why Mamdani was able to do so well in this primary, because those attacks over Israel, simply put, did not ring true for Democrats"

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Then you aren't a modern abolitionist and you are actively helping slavery by denying its existence. It's actually not me who is confused by those terms - it's you and you're projecting that. You aren't even able to say why they aren't slaves, except as a fallacious appeal ad populum - just because slavery is common globally doesn't change the term itself. Slavery isn't synonymous for "rare."

White people get shot in the US all the time and they are actively going through people's phones (including white citizens) at all customs for political messaging they dislike. White people are being put on the Palantir lists.

Oh and maybe take your own advice re: condescension or just leave out criticism of it if you're going to do it too lol.

As for evidence of election tampering, sources are in my history, but just Google the Rockland County case for a quick and dirty example. Here's someone claiming there's no election issues with 2024 and my response has several links in it- https://lemmy.world/post/32343339/18063399

The previous Reddit link was to an image of how people move across the planet. People, when slaves, are commodities to the rich. That's a rich person's MONEY moving away, to their PoV. That is part of why they don't like America, bc of the escape of enslaved people to this country from their home country.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 days ago

First, I genuinely don't mean to condescend, and I don't think I've called you any pet names or anything like that. Apologies if I have. It's hard to read a charitable tone if we're disagreeing, so I get that.

I'd wager that if you say "slavery" to almost literally any westerner (or at least American), you are evoking chattel slavery. Like that in America before its civil war. Without clarifying what you mean, I don't think it's very fair to put the onus on others. Here's a definition of slavery from the dictionary:

The condition in which one person is owned as property by another and is under the owner's control, especially in involuntary servitude.

Most people are not owned as property in any traditional sense, nor are they (all) enduring involuntary servitude. You can argue that because you need a job to survive, you're forced to work. That if you cannot easily escape your conditions, then you're trapped. This isn't the traditional definition of slavery, which is why I typically expect to see "wage slavery" or something akin to that. It's not exactly an appeal to ad populum if we're debating the definitions of words or semantics, which are only determined by a mutual acceptance and understanding.

Can you clarify whether you think a middle class American making $50,000 a year is a slave? Are the poor in nations with better welfare systems also slaves? I'm earnestly asking because I want to understand what you consider "modern" slavery and what the prerequisites are for being a "modern abolitionist."

"Work camp" evokes Russian gulags, North Korean work camps, or even Nazi death camps. When you're not referring to a literal work camp, it's hard to decipher that you mean the conditions created by capitalism without you saying so. I literally thought you meant that Israel was a gigantic work camp filled to the brim with unsuspecting Jews who were concentrated there by a global conspiracy which includes Zionists. Which, based on what I now know you mean, is more or less true, but I certainly wouldn't describe it like that if I wanted the average internet idiot to understand.

Thanks for the links about the election, I'll check them out.