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Nice propaganda to justify Israel's ethnic cleansing and targeting of civilians. That article is full of misinformation and not backed up by independent investigations.
Security
Israel does justify the settlements and military bases in the West Bank in the name of Security. However, the reality of the settlements on-the-ground has been the cause of violent resistance and a significant obstacle to peace, as it has been for decades.
This type of settlement, where the native population gets 'Transferred' to make room for the settlers, is a long standing practice. See: The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948, the Transfer Committee, and the JNF which led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate, before the mass ethnic cleansing campaign of 1948: Plan Dalet, Declassified Massacres of 1948, and Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948) . Further, declassified Israeli documents show that the Occupation of the West Bank and Gaza Strip were deliberately planned before being executed in 1967: Haaretz, Forward; while the peace process was exploited to continue de-facto annexation of the West Bank via Settlements (Oslo Accord Sources: MEE, NYT, Haaretz, AJ). The settlements are maintained through a violent apartheid that routinely employs violence towards Palestinians and denies human rights like water access, civil rights, etc. This kind of control gives rise to violent resistance to the Apartheid occupation, jeopardizing the safety of Israeli civilians.
How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe
Civilian Deaths and Human Shields:
Israel does deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so: ‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza, Lavender, and Where's Daddy. When it comes to Israeli Soldiers and Civilians, there is also the use of the Hannibal Directive, which was also used on Oct 7th.
Hundreds of Genocide Scholars have described this ethnic cleansing campaign as genocide because of the deliberate targeting of children/civilians and expressed intent by Israeli officials: “A Textbook Case of Genocide”: Israeli Holocaust Scholar Raz Segal Decries Israel’s Assault on Gaza, 800+ Legal Scholars Say Israel May Be Perpetrating 'Crime of Genocide' in Gaza , Law for Palestine Releases Database with 500+ Instances of Israeli Incitement to Genocide – Continuously Updated.
On the subject of Human Shields, there are some independent reports for past conflicts of Hamas jeopardizing the safety of civilians via Rocket fire in dense urban areas, two instances during Oct 7th, but no independent verification since then so far. None of which absolve Israel of the crime of targeting civilians under international law:
HRW on Laws-of-War Violations 2009
Agency Demands Full Respect for the Sanctity of Its Premises in Gaza - July 2014
HRW - Palestinian Armed Groups’ October 7 Assault on Israel
Israel/OPT: Israeli attacks targeting Hamas and other armed group fighters that killed scores of displaced civilians in Rafah should be investigated as war crimes
HRW - Gaza: Unlawful Israeli Hospital Strikes Worsen Health Crisis
Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields: IDF uses Human Shields, including Children (2013 Report), and in the latest war Israel “Systematically” Uses Gaza Children as Human Shields, Rights Group Finds
My properly sourced information is not invalidated by anything you said. It actually cited multiple highly reliable sources.
Also it's whataboutism :) anyone noticing a pattern here? Blindly discredit anything critical of Hamas?
Goodbye!
Edit: there's nothing "propaganda" about NATO. This ought to be a red flag... And yes, this report confirms more than your sources do, posting incomplete assessments of Hamas' use of human shields does not discredit NATO, sorry.
Edit 2: how hilarious is it that NATO stratcom is accused of being a propaganda outlet when the original post is from MEE?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_Eye
Is this comment also accusing me of justifying genocide? Like the others that were removed?
Person provides an incredibly detailed, well sourced comment and you don't even address a single point from it. Huh.
I understand I never said what you're claiming, thanks.
We can tell your level of understanding
I did debunk your quoted paragraphs about human shields and provided sources. Here is a video that details the situation if you prefer
They are not debunked by your sources, nothing you provide proves the NATO article wrong. YouTube is not a source.
Bored, leaving.
Lol got it, you didn't read a single source. If you did you'd recognize which sources the video was referencing
Yes I did, NATO is not debunked, your sources do not dispute the reports contents. Sorry.
You can't be serious. Everyone does propaganda, propaganda is everywhere. Just because you happen to agree with NATO propaganda doesn't mean it isn't propaganda. Your original comment is propaganda, the responses to it are propaganda, this entire comment section is full of propaganda. Anyone disseminating information reflecting the views or interests of any doctrine or cause is engaging in propaganda.
Edit:
No, not everything is propaganda... I think I'll trust NATO, thank you for your personal opinions though.
Unless you disagree with the meaning of the word propaganda then everything I said is a statement of fact, not a personal opinion. What do you mean when you say propaganda (and don't just give examples, actually define it).
I'm supposed to defend my position after you baselessly call NATO stratcom propaganda (by whatever definition)? Lol no no, let's review "burden of proof":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_%28philosophy%29
So, let's discuss your evidence that NATO stratcom is propaganda. I'd love to see these "facts."
For example: I can point to evidence that Tasnim News is propaganda.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/tasnim-news-agency/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3AReliable_sources%2FPerennial_sources
Statements of fact indeed :)
Alright, I'll play along.
Claim:
The document titled hamas human shields released by NATO Strategic Communications is propaganda.
Argument:
Merriam-Webster defines propaganda as-
Let's break that down. To determine whether the NATO StratCom document hamas human shields meets the criteria for propaganda we need to answer the following:
Q: Does the item in question contain ideas, information, or rumor?
A: Without having to verify any claims you can still confidently state that the document contains at least one if not all of these. Statements of opinion can be classified as ideas, and statement of fact can be considered either information or rumor depending upon the amount and veracity of supporting evidence.
Q: Was the item in question spread for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person?
A: By posting the document on a public forum for the purpose of defending NATO's actions, you yourself fulfilled this criteria. Prior to that, NATO StratCom also fulfilled it, as they have an implicit interest in defending the actions of NATO (which this document serves to do)
I don't dispute this.
Nice breakdown. I've spent some time here and there watching this clown throw themselves bodily side to side to avoid getting the point. Any time someone corners them, they reply with some variation of "I'm bored now, not responding anymore".
I think they're just a pretty proficient troll. For their sake, I hope I'm right as one depressing alternative is this is actually who they are.
The well sourced information presented in the report has not been disputed. You're audaciously prescribing intent onto me (?), accusing me of presenting this to defend NATO. I'm presenting corroborating well sourced information relevant to the article posted. Nothing you claim is substantiated, other than our shared agreement on Tasnim News.
This is unfounded opinion, and a means to discredit information critical of Hamas. Going by your chosen definition, AP news presents information and ideas meant to help inform people on a multitude of issues and is thus propaganda. Did you read the next definition Merriam Webster lists? A bit more critical and harder to apply to NATO huh?
Your answers contain a lot of "can be" and vague allegations. Nothing definite, no evidence. Playing along would be doing what I did, not finding an obtuse definition and applying your personal opinion to it. Like, here's another one:
Can't really apply that because the information in the report isn't misleading right? And it's not promoting a cause, it's providing strategies to countries in how to deal with human shield situations. Information, that's it.
I'm tired of this game. Gonna focus on Harris ripping Trump a new one.