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As Vice President Kamala Harris received the presidential nomination at the 2024 Democratic National Convention (DNC), thousands of people marched near the convention demanding an end to U.S. arms shipments to Israel and the war on Gaza. The protesters, led by Palestinian and Jewish activists, represented a diverse coalition including anti-war veterans, climate justice activists, and labor organizers. Despite efforts by Democrats to keep the Palestine issue sidelined, the marchers made their voices heard, declaring Harris and President Joe Biden complicit in the genocide in Gaza. The protesters came from communities and movements that are often considered part of the Democratic coalition, warning that their votes could not be taken for granted unless the party takes concrete action to end the occupation and devastation in Palestine. Organizers estimate around 30,000 people demonstrated in Chicago over the course of the week, making Palestine impossible to ignore during the convention. The activists drew connections between the struggle for Palestinian liberation and the fight against racist violence and state repression in the U.S., challenging the Democratic Party's complicity in both. The protests encountered a heavy police presence, with hundreds of riot police surrounding the march at all times. Despite the tension, the demonstration remained largely peaceful as the protesters demanded justice for Palestine. As Kamala Harris prepared to take the stage, the marchers continued their chants and songs, determined to keep the spotlight on the ongoing catastrophe in Gaza and the Democratic Party's failure to address it.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This isn't just Internet arguments. Innocent people are dying. Stop this.

That's what I keep begging for, but instead I keep getting shouted at by Democrat sycophants who want me to vote now and fix the party never.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly! The Dems have been saying "Oh, sure we need change, but not THIS election. THIS election is too important. Next time, tho!" for 50 fucking years.

50 fucking years and they have done nothing to change anything.

I'm done waiting for them. Not voting for them again.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You really don't get it. This is just politics to you. Find. Just please, for the love of God, stop trying to drag others down with you. That's all I have to say.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

just please, for the love of God, stop trying to drag others down with you.

I'm with knightly on this one. All of your bullying and the Dems bullying have done nothing but make me even more inclined to vote third party.

I want NOTHING to do with your party. Dems are just as bad as the Republicans now.

Third party all the way for me and many of my friends.

Maybe you all shoulda been nicer and dialed back the hate towards any and everyone that disagreed with you.

The hateful comments I have seen from Democrats here on Lemmy these last few weeks have been fucking eye-opening.

I'm happily voting third party now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"Just politics"?

This is a matter of life and death, and you're on the side that's teaming up with Republicans to make sure the bombs keep flowing:

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The issue is much, much larger than what Israel is doing to Gaza.

If you fail to vote for Harris, you allow Trump to win.

If Trump wins:

  1. He will encourage Israel to finish the genocide more quickly.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d

  1. He will take Israel's policy of illegally invading Lebanon as a "security zone" and apply it to Mexico:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_Southern_Lebanon

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/donald-trump-mexico-military-cartels-war-on-drugs-1234705804/

  1. He will set up internment camps in the United States for immigrants and others classed as "undesirable":

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-does-not-rule-out-building-detention-camps-mass-deportations-2024-04-30/

  1. He will purge the government of any and all opposition:

https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2022/07/trump-endorsed-plan-purge-civil-service-rogue-bureaucrats/375028/

  1. He wants to arrest journalists:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/06/politics/kash-patel-trump-administration/index.html

To be clear here, if Harris does not win, Trump will. Those are your two choices. You can choose to vote for Harris or you court disaster. There is no viable 3rd choice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The issue is much, much larger than what Israel is doing to Gaza.

Agreed.

If you fail to vote for Harris, you allow Trump to win.

Since my vote is now the deciding factor, I have some demands that the Democrats will finally have to listen to if they don't want Trump to win.

  1. Stop financing genocide.

Did I say "some demands"? I meant "just do the bare minimum", Jesus..

To be clear here, if Harris does not win, Trump will. Those are your two choices. You can choose to vote for Harris or you court disaster. There is no viable 3rd choice.

Precisely. Democrats know they're the only game in town so they have no incentive to offer better policy. All demands for them to show some basic humanity can be deflected with cries of "But Trump!!1!".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The big problem with the Democrats is that they fail to acknowledge that the Republicans are not honest brokers. The Democrats insist "the system" works and if they work with the Republicans to get things done, everything will be fine.

Meanwhile the Republicans have two strategies:

  1. When they're in power:
    "We won! You have to do things our way! Elections mean things!"
    Democrats: "Fine."

  2. When they're not in power:
    "You're being mean because you won! You have to do things our way or you aren't being bi-partisan!"
    Democrats: "Fine."

They either move policy to the right, or block everything until policy moves to the right. Since they don't actually want government to do anything, they consider both positions a win.

The Democrats are too spineless to counter this action.