this post was submitted on 26 Aug 2024
200 points (93.1% liked)

Fuck Cars

9797 readers
342 users here now

A place to discuss problems of car centric infrastructure or how it hurts us all. Let's explore the bad world of Cars!

Rules

1. Be CivilYou may not agree on ideas, but please do not be needlessly rude or insulting to other people in this community.

2. No hate speechDon't discriminate or disparage people on the basis of sex, gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, or sexuality.

3. Don't harass peopleDon't follow people you disagree with into multiple threads or into PMs to insult, disparage, or otherwise attack them. And certainly don't doxx any non-public figures.

4. Stay on topicThis community is about cars, their externalities in society, car-dependency, and solutions to these.

5. No repostsDo not repost content that has already been posted in this community.

Moderator discretion will be used to judge reports with regard to the above rules.

Posting Guidelines

In the absence of a flair system on lemmy yet, let’s try to make it easier to scan through posts by type in here by using tags:

Recommended communities:

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Video shared from a Mastodon user.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Agree with everything you're saying.

I think current tech just doesn't permit trains to be a viable car replacement - they cannot make turns. There's DLR in London that has a few insane curves, but that ability costs it greatly in terms of top speed. As such it's only viable in very population dense areas.

Which also leads to a common problem when building public infra - some people just won't let go of their home, no matter what. Current laws (in a few countries I keep an eye on, at least) do not enable forced buyouts, and I don't really have a straightforward answer. Part of me says such projects should have the ability for it, but then I'm not sure I'd agree if I myself were in such a position.

There's also a less tangible benefit of a car that I'm subconciously avoiding to mention because I don't know how to fully express myself appropriately - freedom. It's freedom to go anywhere, which could be almost fully be covered by perfect public transit; but it's also freedom from big orgs such as governments and corporations. It is possible to go across the whole Europe on a couple of tanks of an average car and 4-5 tanks if it's something thirstier. That little fuel can be easily stocked up by an individual. If rail gets shut down - you're stuffed. No policy can stop me from moving in a car.

The context of this is russia invading Ukraine and movement restrictions put in place during covid. While I don't argue too much about covid - something had to be done; implementation and enforcement in some countries outright sucked, though - russia is an actual threat that would affect my family if it invaded further west. And if that happened - nothing beats a car in that case. Rail gets shut, roads and borders closed.

I'm probably expanding a bit too much.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Which also leads to a common problem when building public infra - some people just won’t let go of their home, no matter what.

A lot of the car infrastructure we have, at least in the US, was from taking people's homes. Often black people. So there's precedent.

Also there's a part pointed out in The Power Broker about how one of the highways Robert Moses built takes a really inefficient path to avoid a rich person's house. This has collectively cost commuters millions of minutes since it was built. (I think it's like an extra 30 minutes to go around the estate, for each driver, for decades)

I don’t know how to fully express myself appropriately - freedom. It’s freedom to go anywhere,

A car feels like the opposite of freedom to me. It's a ball and chain. Everywhere i go I have to park it. I have to fuel it. Insure it. Take it for maintainence. If I'm drinking I can't even use it safely. It's a constant burden.

Now I just get on the train. Read a little or play a game on my phone. Show up at the place. Have a good time. Then back on the train. No parking. No fuel. No traffic stress. Freedom.

No policy can stop me from moving in a car.

Road blockades? Toll roads? Traffic?