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submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Why does the title contain a slur?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Genuine question and I learned a lot from you asking it

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsy_horse

It's the name of the breed of this horse. Not a slur in this context. OP might have been edited the title to correct the wording.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

also known as Romani Cob

And the Romani (and g*psy) both refer to the Romani people, so even in this context it's a slur

Then again

Gypsy Cob Register,[11] Gypsy Vanner Horse Society,[12] Gypsy Horse Registry of America,[13] or Australasian Gypsy Horse Society.

It seems like yes it's a slur, but it's also so widespread it's hard to avoid using it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I agree that Gypsy is a slur, when used to denigrate migrating groups of people or poor foreign looking people, especially when the group who are being insulted with the word are not connected to Romanichal people at all.

However, both this and Romani used in this specific context, as you can tell from the History section, are specifically linked to identify this breed of horse, historically used by this sect of people. As such, there are cases where using this term is appropriate, unless there's been some other euphemism in use that has made the words Gypsy and Romani archaic, as is the case with some other slurs.

You're welcome to censor yourself and not use this word which in some contexts is a slur. To me, language is quite flexible, and so words mean anything that parties to a conversation understand them to mean, through the combination of verbal, non-verbal and contextual signals.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

I did edit the title. My phone turned gypsy into gypsies and I didn't notice right away lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Phone autocorrected Gypsy to gypsies. Fixed the title. The horse breed is called a Gypsy Vanner, though. Idk why.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

IIRC it's because it was a breed originally cultivated by the Roma.

I think there's a push among some folks to get a name change on the books, not even to a name based on Roma, it was something else entirely I think related to the moustache

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago