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On any of the donation threads where it came up and he replied to it, the most he ever did was some half hearted corporate PR "apology" (ironic)
How can you call "the transgender topic" at all "controversial"? You either support and protect minorities or you don't.
Also, my man db0 is just the goat.
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What universe are you living in where everyone agrees and has the same opinions about transgender people? It's more or less the definition of a controversial topic.
My rights are not a controversy. You're just a bigot.
What rights do non trans have that the trans don't?
The right to live as the gender you want
That is a right u got in most first world countries.
List some examples. Very few countries have equal right for trans people enshrined in law. Certainly not in the US or the UK.
In Australia, UK, nz, and I'm sure a bunch of places in Europe. Its illegal to discriminate based upon gender identity.
The rest of the rights are given to all people regardless of how they identify.
Even in Canada and America it's illegal to discriminate based on identity. It's mostly 2nd and 3rd world countries that don't have much for protections. Excluding the UK of course, they're being weird about it.
I just read up on the UK ruling. Its only change is that single sex spaces are based upon biological sex not gender identity. Trans still have all protections under the anti decriminalisation and equality laws.
that's... discrimination based on gender...
how did you not connect the dots that discriminating based on biological sex is DIRECTLY discriminating transgender people??
Well it seems the court has ruled that sex (xx, xy) and gender (male, female) are separate things. One is what ur born as one is what u identify with (u can still get a special government card proving u identity however u wish).
Spaces for a specific sex can be defined same a spaces for a specific gender can be defined. This ruling doesn't seem to restrict you from opening a female only gym if u wanna.
Any space for any specific group is going to be on some level decriminatory. Eg male only golf clubs, that club of little old women baking cakes for charity (I can't remember what they call themselves), women only gyms, etc etc etc.
Plus the anti decriminalisation laws of the UK and au for that matter are actually quite narrowly defined mainly for the purposes of government run services, employment equality, etc.
Well its not discrimination since the same rights are granted to both sexes equally (yes I'm ignoring intersex its a statistically irrelevant argument).
Didn't hear about the recent Supreme Court ruling on trans women in the UK, huh? The others countries you mentioned might be fine for all I know, but I guarantee you that the vast majority of the world does not live in countries with trans rights enshrined in law.
Please go into detail about the Supreme Court ruling
https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/carr-ryan/our-work/carr-ryan-commentary/understanding-implications-uk-supreme-courts-ruling
Do you have an unbiased or neutral source? I'd like to hear from some of the lawyers, activists and judges who pushed the ruling through the court.
Look it up yourself if you actually care and aren't just acting in bad faith.
You don't get to call me bad faith after linking a biased source, dude, come on.
But from my understanding:
The ruling focused on whether a trans woman with a gender recognition certificate is protected from discrimination as a woman under Britain's Equality Act. Activists for Women's Rights said that including a trans woman as a biological woman under the law could impact single-sex services for women, such as refuges, hospital wards and sports. It's important to note that some victims of rape or sexual assault have an extreme aversion to male chararistics, such as genitalia or any other male sexual chararistics. And that despite the rapid advancements of surgery and HRT, there still remains male characteristics that may be unfair in sports or other scenarios, our medical technology isn't there yet -- But like all things, it all depends on the individual.
What kickstarted the activism was a law by the Scottish government to place more women in public sector roles. It also said that trans women are the same as biological women, which is unrelated to include in a small bill that no other bill has ever mentioned before. Why is this particular bill vaguely defining what a woman is, but no other bill has yet done so? Activists tried the government in court and failed before going to the Supreme Court.
The court discussed the differences between sex and gender and what that actually means. How do you define sex? Is your sex your identity? When do we look at someone's sex or gender? They concluded that a biological woman is determined by their biological sex, meaning sexual chararistics.
It also doesn't exclude trans men or women from the Equality Act, as they still fall under its protection, no one has lost any rights. The change is that there is now a separation and definition of gender and sex and clearer wording for what constitutes as a single-sex space.
Legally, it offers long-term clarity for businesses and organisations that have been left to interpret ambiguous and sometimes contradictory legislation on their own until this point. A case example is that a trans woman, who is pre-op and pre-HRT, can be legally classified as a biological woman despite having no surgery or therapy. That is no longer possible under this new ruling. Another example is maternity leave, where women get more leave than men due to pregnancy. But what of the case when there is a trans woman? There is no pregnancy, no breastfeeding, so do they get extended maternity leave? It's unclear.
But now it is.