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While I understand we want to point out and ridicule hypocrisy, let’s not make this a thing please? Trans folks in this country get enough shit without Democrats piling on too.
What does TD Vance, well known couch fucker wearing drag have to do with trans people?
This isn't making fun of individuals who identify as trans or appreciate drag/drag culture.
This is specifically making fun of an idiot conservative who is the embodiment of what his party hates. Just like I wouldn't make fun of someone for being gay, I'm still going to make fun of a politician who enjoys trying to have sex with random men in airport bathrooms.
My man, you’re missing the point. The ridicule has been well earned and undermines their bullshit views. More importantly, it undermines their bullshit policies, since Harris is going to wreck shit. I ain’t downvote you, btw.
What do you think hypocrisy is, if not this? Because this is the textbook definition of hypocrisy.
I don't think anyone is really clear what you're saying, even though we seem to be on the same side. You seem to be suggesting that the hypocrisy isn't the real problem, it's that he once did this thing and now claims that it's wrong for others to do it. And that's literally the textbook definition of hypocrisy: the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.
JD Vance claims dressing in drag is morally wrong yet he himself has dressed in drag in the past. That makes him a hypocrite. That's the hypocrisy that people are pointing out. I don't know what counter-argument you're trying to put forward.
So is you point that pointing out hypocrisy isn't enough?
I would disagree in part, but that would make way more sense if that's what you've been trying to say.
The way I see it, it needs to be made a thing. It's okay to be trans, it's okay to dress in drag, it's not okay to do it while you're a homo/transphobe. That's very much like the LGBTQ+ equivalent of cultural appropriation.
Plus I'm tired of the hypocrisy. If they're okay with us having to endure being called slurs, he deserves to go through the same. We will stop if and once they say "please stop, it's okay to be gay".
Drag and trans are different things.
Yeah it's a mood when somebody trying to cape for you misunderstands who you are.
Oh hi. I’m actually trans. I’ve already been beat over the head by conservative relatives with “see even democrats think trans folks are stupid”. Which is why I posted the original comment.
But hypocrisy is the point. No one's mocking him just for wearing drag, just like no one criticizes gop voters solely for getting abortions. The criticism stems from the hypocrisy, not the act itself.
It's more in the lines of "man outraged by people challenging gender norms cross dresses for fun; is hypocrite".
It's not the outfit we take issue with here. It's the hypocrisy.
Yeah, that is the hypocrisy that is being pointed out.
You are stating the literal hypocrisy and saying it isn't hypocrisy. I have no idea what nuance you are saying is there.
Pointing out hypocrisy is actually fairly effective with uninformed people. If they have only a passing interest in JD couch molester, but are made aware of his anti-trans/drag legislation at the same time they find out he was cool doing it himself, they will be likely to not believe his bullshit in the future. No, it won't swing his base who are already on the cognitive dissonance express, but it might help motivate someone on the fence to get out and vote against him.
The 'rules for thee but not for me' kind of hypocrisy is extremely important.
I think there's just a disagreement with your core premise.
There is a subset of people that are not engaged and unaware of Vance's legislative history or public statements regarding drag. Those people will generally not engage with long thoughtful nuanced discourse. Those are the people that pointing out hypocrisy speaks to. An article or long post just doesn't work. A quick meme does. It's a simple cognitive shortcut to get them engaged, and it's effective. Yes, I get a bit of masturbatory joy when I see that stuff, but it shouldn't be meant for me. This stuff is meant to go "viral" so it gets in front of the non-engaged eyeballs.
We need to use every single goddamn tool in the toolbox we have to engage people and get them to turn out. All of it. Including pointing out hypocrisy.
Fair enough on the terminology.
So attacking their obsession is okay, but taking it one step further and explaining that they're not only obsessed but hypocritical somehow makes it out of bounds?
I am truly trying to understand your point, and I think others have too, but it simply isn't there. Can you just specifically say what you would like to see written when communicating this information to someone? What specifically do you want said about JD Vance when someone posts this photo? I think that might help.
It was a question, trying to understand what the hell you're trying to say. Don't really think it's fair to call that "wildly mischaracterized" but you do you.
Happy to move on. You should really work on communicating your thoughts though. You're not making any sense and wasting a bunch of people's time who are trying to engage with you in good faith, and then getting combative when it's pointed out. We can't see eye to eye while you're facing the other direction.
Make your print more effectively if you want us to understand.