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I really donβt get incels.
Youβre chuds, how are you failing to socialize in the west?
maybe people dont want to be chuds. maybe performing masculinity doesn't actually come naturally to them. maybe capitalist society is fundamentally broken and gets more and more broken everyday and people fall through the cracks. maybe they have undiagnosed mental illness. maybe they are poor and socially isolated. maybe there are worse crimes in life than not flourishing within a misogynistic patriarchal capitalist society.
maybe you people whom live and socializing comes easy should check your own fucking privileges
It was a dumb question, but you're failing to answer it because none of this explains why they are chuds if they "don't want to be." I'm an isolated, mentally ill loser who fell through the cracks, but I'd sooner die than join the incels.
that's because you know there's a choice.
chud is just the basic mode of living and thinking for a large part of humanity. 99% of people do not know what capitalism is. they do not know that there are systems in this world that govern what life is like. under late-stage capitalism issues like poverty or loneliness are naturalized, presented as natural facts of existence. there are chads and incels, winners and losers. some people are social, some people are loners. thats chud ideology, thats incel ideology, thats capitalist ideology, thats liberal ideology. its only communism that does not naturalize capitalists effects.
you, i and everyone else here is not here because of some conscious choice, some inner goodness, their critical thinking skills or anything else. we just randomly got some contact points towards communist thinking and ended up here. sure, some empathy for your common human beings probably also points you towards communism, but certainly not directly and without detours.
A lot of these people got radicalized into being incels by 4chan, a place where there are communists, albeit reactionary ones, but they had exposure to a lot of the same things that I did and still turned out that way.
Shit, the incel I knew personally even came out as a trans woman for a short amount of time. These people aren't stupid, they understand they have some level of agency over their life, but it's because of dipshits like you giving them the pass to say they have no agency over their life they can pretend they don't.
capitalism goes rampant every single day, worsening conditions for everybody, severing all human connections, but yeah just SELF IMPROVE YOURSELF OUT OF IT JUST GO OUT INTO THE NONEXISTANT SOCIAL FABRIC
I JUST BIT MY HAND TILL IT BLED
Okay, I'm a schizophrenic alcoholic, I have all the excuses in the world to self isolate and hate people. But even when I was drinking up to a gallon of vodka a day, I still had the option of going to meetings, going to therapy, getting on psych meds, being friends with my coworkers, ect. Acting like there's "NOTHING WE CAN DO CAPITALISM RUINED EVERYTHING" is the self defeatist mindset that made me an alcoholic. So your speech is stupid and causing psychic damage to everybody that reads it.
Also to counter you mentioning me getting therapy and other such help is "privilege" I got that for free. There are still programs to get help for free, you just have to actually seek them. They still suck and are clearly held back by capitalism, but they exist. There is no excuse not to work on being a better person for your community and those around you other than not giving a fuck. I learned that from the immigrants I work with in kitchens that have 3 full time jobs and families they still take care of and spend time with.
there are heroin addicts and homeless people and pedophiles andremoveds who have girlfriends and i worth so much less than them i have never done anything to anyone
Why are you implying that homeless people and heroin addicts are at the same level of worth as pedophiles?
That was obviously wrong I'm sorry. It's just that my loneliness obviously doesn't stem from my lack of status or from my poverty since even people mich lower on the social ladder have a romantic life which means all my problems are my own fault and I should feel ashamed for having them which is what I meant to write sorry I was having a panic attack
Not all your problems are your fault, but they are your responsibility to deal with. That's the first thing I learned when I was in rehab. It's not my fault I'm an addict, that's a disease that's entirely out of my control. It's not my fault I'm schizophrenic. But it is my responsibility to manage the issues that arise with those conditions.
In the same vain, it's not necessarily your fault that you have a hard time socializing with other people, but it is your responsibility to manage those issues.
I'm not talking about them being or not being communists, and don't give me the "Masses, Elites, and Rebels" lecture. There are lots of other "slipped through the cracks" losers out there who aren't incels, so many that it feels like our society is more crack than surface, and we can quip about there being commonality between incel ideology and liberal ideology, but most of those losers still aren't incels, they still don't make a political project of being hostile to women or anything like that.
Part of that is, if you care about words having meanings, most people aren't chuds, and even among men it's at least contested enough that it's not "the basic mode of living" in most social contexts. As much as we can draw cute connections, the only time you see someone on CNN saying we should repeal the 19th Amendment is if they are wheeling out some internet crank, and the people on CSPAN who do believe it mostly keep it to themselves.