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TSMC Arizona struggles to overcome vast differences between Taiwanese and US work culture
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Funny. The same issues that Tesla is experiencing in Germany.
Yeah.. I personally was surprised there are developed nations with a more toxic corpo culture than the US. But apparently the Asian powerhouses are all built on corporate servitude.
Central/Eastern Europe somewhat does.
Also, I don't like how in much of Europe for many jobs you can't quit at will, you legally have to give notice (and sometimes not a short one).
It goes both ways, your employer can't fire you at will either. But it goes further, usually you have a probation period, in Germany it's up to 6 months during which you can leave any time, or be fired at any time. Beyond that there's always the option to agree on a shorter notice period, but if you're getting fired and you agree to a shorter period you won't get unemployment compensation for that time.
At will employment is horse shit. A notice period on a month or 2 months is fine.. you agree up front so you know. And your next employer counts this in when hiring. And mostly you have some vacation days you can take to shorten it a bit.
In the Netherlands a determined contract of a year has no "out" other than an agreement between the 2 parties.. otherwise you serve it in full. Which is what you agree to when starting it.
Agreeing to it doesn't mean I like it...
Trapping people in terrible jobs sucks. Especially when it's considered the legal standard and your contract has to state it's at will(which might be illegal in some places)
It means they can't just fire you either. Unless they pay the entire severance up front, which can be multiple months of wage.
Also, losing your job has a lot more impact on your life than a company losing one of its workers impacts that business. So it is definitely in the employees favour.
It depends on the job. And you're not always guaranteed severance.
It's a lot more impactful for the worker if they're trapped in a terrible situation making them miserable. Or if they have to go somewhere else
You read like someone that got a rough deal, ended up in a shit company with a fixed term contract and now regrets signing it.
Most contracts have a probation period.. where it is effectively at will. After that, you are stuck for the duration, which is what was agreed.
I don't know what makes the company so miserable, but not going above and beyond, coming in on time and leaving on time usually helps a lot. I'm not saying start slacking off.. but not meeting overbearing production quotas... What are they going to do.. fire you? Or pull you off the floor for conversations..
It was a job that required traveling, was trying to refuse paying overtime for travel time. Because I was constantly traveling I couldn't see my friends, family, or partner. Was unpredictable mandatory overtime.
But I already quit months ago.
And yes, I'm sure some of that was illegal on their part. But there wasn't much I could do.
Wage theft is horrible. I'm sorry you had to experience that. Glad you got out
In which country? And glassdoor!
Czech Republic, and not a big enough company to have a glassdoor
Maybe give them a review there.
I was basically the only employee in Europe, the other employee had his visa revoked because of the companies incompetence they didn't file his paperwork properly.
Such a weird take.
A month is easily survivable, the snowball of Beiing fired on the spot, having no income, not being able to afford your living expenses, debts, homelessness is not.
At will employment might be good for a view niche jobs, for most jobs especially the lower paid, it just gives the employer even more power over their employees.
I'd suggest you take your weird american viewpoint on employment and go away. We like the fact that employees get proper protections against predatory corpos.
Depends on the job/employer.
Furthermore it's more important when things come up. Say you need to go take care of a relative in an emergency.
Yeah, let's make all regulations up based on exceptions and edgecases.
If something happens and you need space, most EU countries have leave for that, you can also take vacation days (we also get those by law).. or your employer allows you to go.
Again, strange corpo way of trying to normalize not having proper contracts and labor protections. You have bought in to the propaganda too much.
Probably anti union too, no?
When it comes to people's freedoms, yes.
Assuming you've earned/haven't used it.
Not a corpo. Stop with the ad hominems.
Some unions do good things, some do bad.
Freedoms are good to protect, but protecting people most of the time and giving them freedom to live a prosperous life is most important. And the freedom at-will employment gives you is overshadowed by the freedom it gives companies to have employees bear the risk, while hoarding all the profits.
Your argument only holds true for a small subset of employees and even then, their market value overshadows the need for the flexibility.
I'll leave it at that, and if you spout corporate propaganda that has been ingrained into you from birth.. I'll call it like it is.
Both parties bear the risk. It's hard and expensive for companies to replace most people in developed economies. Have you ever been fired with no notice? Because my understanding is workers quit a lot more often than they get fired(or at least that's what I've done).
My beliefs are based on a consistent set of ethics. Stop insulting me.
Yeah, your consistent set of ethics can go fly a kite.
Profits are supposed to be reimbursement for the investment and the risk involved. In an at-will environment employers have shifted all the risk involved with employing people onto the employee, while keeping the profits.
So your consistent set of ethics means exploiting people is OK, hoarding profit is OK and selling corporate greed under the guise of "freedom" based on false claims is OK. I'd suggest re-evaluation of your ethics.
How is it not? In small businesses wages are often more than the dividends. As in, employees get paid first, ask any small business owner about that.
Yes. But it means you're not wanting to fire people randomly most of the time.
It doesn't make employees disposable, see above. People quit far more often than they're fired.
But like I said, I'm not even talking about this from the perspective of the employer, but instead from the employee. Money is more replaceable than time, and it is not ethical to trap someone in a situation that makes them hate their life for a month.
I suggest next time you use all your employee negotiating power, to negotiate an "escape clause" in your contract and leave the labor laws in tact for all people that cannot do that negotiation.
Let us know how the negotiations went!
nah I don't have that negotiating power
For a lot of Asian countries the "asian dream" is still somewhat realistic.
Just look at China or Korea. Many of the older folks there grew up in abject poverty, but the countries managed to develop themselves through hard labor into modern, wealthy nations. The promise of "my kids will have it better" was actually true for them. And that promise still drives a lot of the work culture. In China the first cracks already appear, since for the first time in 50 years or so, the current youth has no way up anymore.
You'd be surprised to hear about Japanese & Korean work culture.
Japan is slowly getting better, but it's a long road ahead. There are more laws and they're actually enforcing some of them with regard to harassment and hours worked (a lot of people would clock out and keep working, but they're trying to make the penalties bit enough to stop it from what I hear. My company is certainly strict about it).
It'd be nice to have european-level vacations before I retire, but that I don't see happening
Yeah.. korea, Japan, Taiwan, China