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[–] [email protected] 60 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (39 children)

Heels-dug-in defiance to the idea is not reassuring.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago (15 children)

Yeah hubris probably isn't the way to go when you're losing in national polls 10 pts below where you were in 2020 at this time... And you're losing in every battleground state... And you're losing black and Hispanic voters... And the desperation play of asking for this debate to break the steady decline in polling utterly backfired.

Riddle me this: what if Biden's condition worsens from here until November and it's far past the convention to do anything? He's not getting younger. The bad days, the sundowning will only get worse.

People are itching to vote for anyone but a senile geratric and a criminal geriatric. Give the people what they want.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

Are these Black and Hispanic voters going to the guy that talked about immigrants "taking Black jobs?" or eventually "taking Hispanic jobs too"? How can any minority vote for a man that is clearly a racist through and through. His father was a racist, arrested marching with the KKK, and they both got fined for not renting to people of color. He has a history of using minority and immigrant labor so he can threaten and cheat them out of pay. The list goes on and on. Biden may not be a saint (far from it), but he at least believes in democracy.

Also that debate was the perfect storm for Biden.

    1. He was clearly getting over a cold and sounded like he needed to clear his throat the whole time.
    1. Because of #1 it made overcoming his speech issues like his stutter all the more difficult, requiring more mental processing than normal.
    1. The debate format of no guardrails and having 2 minutes to both try and state your talking points, and also trying to counter the absolute bullshit word salad of lies Trump was spewing his way was a lot to process for anyone, let alone an 81yr old.
    1. ~~CNN gave in to the Right and dropped the fact checking that afternoon, but Biden really had no choice but to show up. Imagine what conspiracy theories would have come out of Biden pulling out last minute because his campaign knew it was going to be a shit show. You can't reason with people acting in bad faith, and once the fact checking was removed this "debate" was a lose/lose situation for Biden.~~ I read or heard this someplace around the time of the debate, but I'm unable to find it now.


I don't disagree that Biden's showing was disheartening, but I also think the fact that he was actually trying to convey a message, while having a firehouse of shit spewed at him from his right should factor into that as well. It was a "debate" with someone acting in bad faith and Joe trying to follow the rules, with basically no moderation at all. It wasn't a debate, but more like trying to have a rational talk with a kid that just keeps sticking out his tongue and making fart noises.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Most people don't have a political education nor do they follow political news. They vote based in vibes and a knee-jerk reaction to the party in power. You can launder a lot of self-destructive behavior in that recipe.

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