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[–] [email protected] 54 points 4 months ago (3 children)

In my experience of these zealot types, it's that they don't want to know the answer, and won't accept any answer that isn't literally bulletproof all the way back to the beginning of time - no matter what you tell them, God did it.

It's like playing a pigeon at chess. It'll shit on the board and then strut around like it won.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

These are emotional people with absolutely no care or enjoyment for reason or logic or learning how the world works. I believe strongly that the way our brains develop as we grow, be it influences from environment or genes or upbringing, just can go in radically different directions. Kind of like how some people have no internal monologue, or some people can't visualize images in their mind, I think some people can't comprehend the world outside of a very "mystical" interpretation, even when taught how physics and evolution work, they still will see those forces as expressions of a mystical universe with a personal, subjective God who is trying to communicate with them.

You absolutely cannot reason with this kind of perspective because it's not one of reason. The MOST you can hope for is getting them to feel something, and in this I have only ever found common ground in things like expressions of love for the universe or the beauty of nature, but that's like one person going to the baseball game to watch the game, and the other to eat the food.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I believe strongly that the way our brains develop as we grow, be it influences from environment or genes or upbringing, just can go in radically different directions.

Well, you're right.

and the other to eat the food.

Bad deal, stadion food is usually overpriced.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

won't accept any answer that isn't literally bulletproof

Quite fitting, then, that the Venn diagram of people who would literally shoot bullets at a question and people who are religious is pretty much a circle 😉

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Well that's a fairly consistent pov. "God of the Gaps" is what it's called. Ostensibly, that sort of person accepts new evidence for things, so it's probably not one of the worst ways to think

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yeah, I'm aware of the "God of the Gaps" idea.

But that's not what I'm talking about, nor are those the types of people I'm talking about - people willing to take in new ideas are a much friendlier bunch.

The zealot types, the self-proclaimed "sceptics" don't just avoid learning about science, they actively oppose it. They ask questions like those @[email protected] said not because they want to know the answer, but because they're trying to sow seeds of doubt into those who see them.

Those questions aren't made for you or I to answer - and if you do try, they'll shout you down or sandbag you until you give up.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

No, it's not "god of the gaps" to deny elementary school education.

This post is specifically selecting for the complete morons who won't even listen to a basic explanation of refraction...

If you say, "well a lot of religious people will say that!" then yes. Yes, religious people are morons.