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Unrelated but this is literally the first time in my life I've seen an actual 9-5 job, I only ever see 8-5 or 9-6
It's because they reckon on 8-hour days but then under UK law they have to give you two 15-minute breaks and one 30-minute lunch. So they decide that they don't like that so you've got to work the hours back so they add an extra hour on and then claim that your break times don't count.
But the problem with that is the only reason that I'm having a break in the town rather than at my house is because of all the other hours I'm doing around it. So really they should be paying for it. Capitalism is going to capitalism.
Before my current job, any job I've had had an 8.5 hour shift with a half an hour unpaid lunch. But I managed to score a gig where I have an 8.0 hour shift with a half an hour paid lunch. It seems uncommon in the US, but I guess it must be common elsewhere.
Yeah, theres an hour for lunch. It works out to 8 hour days
You're supposed to get paid for that.
“Supposed to” according to what?
If you’re in the US, Federal labor laws explicitly allow “meal periods” to not be paid, though short breaks must be paid. Neither is required to be offered to employees, though.
Source: https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/workhours/breaks
State laws differ, of course, and many states - e.g., California - have much more employee-friendly laws. However, even in CA, a meal period must be offered but isn’t required to be paid (unless it’s an on-duty meal break).
You get salary, its paid
But do you get paid for 8 hour days or 9 hour days?
8 to 5 is 9 hours. They don't get to not pay you for your lunch break.
You get paid for the month. You arent paid by the hour, you are paid for working for them.
Its a different mindset
OK so next time you've done your work for the day, try going home early. Do let us know how it goes.
You aren't paid by the hour as long as it suits the company. As soon as it suits you, you're damn well going to sit there until 5pm staring at the ceiling if you have to, THEN you can go home.
That depends on your manager. Ive had some that let me work whenever, one that wanted butt in seat, and right now, I play video games so long as Im reachable.
That seems like a US thing? All Nordic Europe countries 8-16 is the US version of 9-5. 8-17 (9-6) would be a 4 days a week job hitting the normal 37 hour work week.
Definitely not a US thing. Here in the UK I don't think I've worked 9-5 for over 20 years...
Not all Nordic countries. The main standard work weeks in Sweden are 40 hours for office work employees. Our collective union agreements for most office work places I know of agree on at least half hour unpaid lunch and at least two 15 minute paid breaks each work day. Every place I worked for had flexible hours, which meant I could choose between turning up between 7 or 9, as long as I didn’t miss meetings and worked 40 hours a week at an average, based on monthly calculations. And any overtime was compensated with double time off and/or monetary overtime compensation.
This will of course be different for shift work or nurse/doctor positions. But I’ve never worked an 8-16 job.
8-16 each day is 40 hours not counting the breaks. (Counting them would make it 37)
So do Swedish people work from 8-16, 9-5 or do office workers work from 8-17, 9-6 everyday (inkluding Friday)?
I have family in Malmö and that is not the case for them. Can't speak in the standard for Sweden but I worked closely with Norwegians and they had the same 8-16 (8-15 Friday) in Oslo as we did in in Denmark(KBH).
Well, the standard recommended work hours would be 08-17 (8 AM to 5 PM), with one hour unpaid lunch, so 8 hours paid. And you can take those paid breaks, or even combine them with lunch. Most places (that don’t have shifts, scheduled appointments or aren’t school or health care related) allow for this kind of flexibility.
My current work place has 39 hours a week during the half year during or close to winter and around 37 hours during the summer or the months adjoining summer. Then again, most people tend to flex actual hours worked, e.g. working 4 hours on Monday and Friday, and working more hours during the same week or compensating for it later. But you HAVE to take at least 30 minutes of lunch, and the workplace tries to enforce the paid breaks as well. So some, like me, take an hour off for lunch, but use our half hour unpaid lunch and add on breaks 2x15 with pay (which is billed to our clients, as we’re legally entitled to). So I can show up anywhere between 06:30 and 11:00 (as long as I don’t have deadlines or meetings) and decide how I want to dispose the hours of my time on schedule.
And I get 7 weeks off, paid, every year. And pad it out with overtime so that I work maybe a week of overtime and get two weeks extra off for holidays.
Here in Finland the standard seems to be 8-16, with 30 min lunch, for a total of 37,5h work per week
That extra hour of wage theft is why it's the most prevalent kind of theft.
✨️unpaid lunch hourrrrrrr✨️
The only good thing about the security industry in my country is all breaks are paid. However if there is a security emergency on your break you need to drop everything and sort it, as these things tend to be time sensitive.
That said do NOT get into the security industry, workers are treated terribly by the public and higher ups, if you can imagine.
remember to be back by 12:30 for the standup at 12:45
you should have finished eating by then
fuck you i'm gonna eat my tuna sandwich in the middle of your standup