Picture shows a pride parade. A group of people are carrying a banner that says "LOCKHEED MARTIN" over a rainbow graphic.
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You think an entire people are one dimensional religious fundamentalists, based on an article of clothing worn by an entire people, even their queers?
Jesus fucking christ, you are being racist as hell
Was hoping you'd be self critical and figure it out on your own.
"Zionists" = Jews, an entire people.
This meme portrays them as bloodthirsty psychopaths who fantasize about killing their own people via their mortal enemy because they are gay. My very close friend is a "Zionist", ie a person with more complex feelings about the war than anyone on this goddamn site thinks is possible. A person who doesn't want dead civilians or anything else, but was there when her friends were butchered in the streets. She also happens to be a lesbian, and the "average Zionist" is her.
Zionists are Jews, not all Jews are Zionists. You are deliberately misconstruing my words so you can get mad.
What about the Israeli Christians or the Druze?
It is literally what you wrote. Don't write A = B, when you mean A ⊆ B.
Are you unaware that anti-zionist Jews exist or do you deny their Jewishness?
You are misunderstanding what I said and I'm tired of bad faith arguments.
I just read your other more recent comments. You think its the old dog whistle usage when its clearly the literal Pro-Israel-Ethno-State meaning. I don't know how you could interpret it as anything other than literal Zionists when the subject is their genocide in Gaza. "Zionist" here includes Biden and Trump.
Unfortunately, zionism is not equivalent to a group of people. Zionism, at least in this context, is a geopolitical position, not an ethnic or religious group.
To consider an entire population of people one-dimensional and hold a political position is harmful. I literally said this exact thing in an earlier comment.
To elaborate on this point, I’ll describe it in this context, and then describe it being used as an antisemitic dog whistle, so we should be on the same page.
In this context, zionism is a political ideology based around settler colonialism, and it led to the founding of Israel, among many, many other consequences.
The meme points out a really annoying tendency that I, as a queer person, and many others have seen when supporting palestine where pro-israel people will go “lol why do you support hamas, they will literally torture you and kill you for being LGBT” even though it is pro-palestine, not pro-hamas.
In the antisemitic dogwhistle context, it is simply used as a stand-in for “the jews”. If you think this is the context people on the left are using, you lack all forms of critical reasoning.
Based on what you said, this meme would indeed be racist if you view it from the antisemitic dogwhistle context. But it isn’t coming from there. To try and conflate the two is just trying to conflate opposition to a geopolitical position with racism.
Says you. It is a fucking dog whistle for racists and telling me it isn't with that stupid meme confirms it. It's amazing how the term as been so whitewashed that even Jewish people buy it.
I’m sorry, you are being silly and rejecting reality.
Zionism literally is a political movement, founded by jewish people, with a desire to make their own state. Zionism isn’t new, and it is well over 100 years old. Check out this wikipedia article for a rundown.
To say that it is only a dogwhistle is just a rejection of reality. But it is also a convenient rejection of reality because it lets you vilify political opponents.
Ironic considering the meme you just posted. And pathetic.
I don’t see anything racist about the meme, but I’ll take it down if it is.