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[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

Why then does IQ predict success?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

It very much doesn't

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Because it also correlates with parental wealth, better access to education, etc.

Kids with better off parents get better school/tutoring from a young age > get better IQ scores > go on to better colleges > have better creds and connections> success.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Intelligence has a genetic component. Smart parents tend to have smart kids. It's not the only factor certainly, and it's not clear how big of a factor it is, but it undoubtedly plays some role in it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't doubt that there is a factor but you're clearly overestimating how much of a factor it is.

If two smart people have a kid and the kid grows up in poverty, they're much less likely to grow to be "successful".

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

What do you mean when you say that I'm "overestimating"? I'm asking this because I feel like you're thinking that I'm claiming something I don't think I'm claiming.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, you claimed that children of parents with higher IQ have more successful children.

I pointed out that this is largely due to social factors, to which you replied a non sequitur about how intelligence has a genetic component.

From that, a reasonable person would assume that you believe that genetics is a major component of IQ, and not just a small contributing factor.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Well, you claimed that children of parents with higher IQ have more successful children.

That wasn't my first claim. My first claim was that IQ predicts success.

I pointed out that this is largely due to social factors, to which you replied a non sequitur about how intelligence has a genetic component.

Then I went here because you brought up parents. So not a non-sequitur but a specific reply to your comment.

From that, a reasonable person would assume that you believe that genetics is a major component of IQ, and not just a small contributing factor.

When I specifically said it's not clear how big of a factor it is. So no, I don't think a reasonable person would assume that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Yes? There are correlations everywhere.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Did you miss the memo about correlation not being the same as causation?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Did you miss the one that defines the word "predicts"? Don't feel bad, from this thread it seems you're not the only one.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Are we going to get into arguing pedantries now?

Oh, I love this part.

..... Just kidding. I'm out. Have a good day.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I imagine it's because the attributes that IQ measure could be the same as we use to measure success.

Effectively if your test is based on the skills needed for STEM, and the STEM fields have jobs with high pay and respect, then you're likely to be considered "successful". But the same person could be awful at communication, politics, the arts, and just be ignorant at large to how the world works. They may even be hyper specialized to their field but lack the flexibility in their intelligence to understand other STEM fields (I hear physicists are guilty of this).

Another, simpler answer, could just be that already wealthy people have better access to stable education, so they were already successful in many ways.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Have you seen IQ tests? They are not exactly "based on the skills needed for STEM".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Just to continue to throw wrenches into the preconceptions, let's not forget that a huge part of what we consider success in the modern world can be attributed to emotional intelligence as much as spatial awareness and logic.

A lot of CEO's and people who climb high in the world are excellent at understanding how others feel and using emotion to communicate, share and inspire people to follow. Sometimes it's the only thing leadership figureheads even know how to do. It's also very, very hard to manage teams effectively if you don't have a good understanding of how people feel at different times, how best to address those feelings and an idea how to manage the emotional atmosphere in a workplace. Yes, having good logic and reasoning is massively important, but rarely alone.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago

can be attributed to emotional intelligence as much as spatial awareness and logic.

Even though popular culture likes to equate intelligence with lack of social intelligence and even outright autism, it's more likely that an intelligent person is intelligent in all of these things.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Yep, I'm starting to see how useful studying psychology would have been.

I'm 15 years into a tech career and it's becoming increasingly obvious that the hard problems are not usually tech problems...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 months ago

I don't know, I think there's more to be said for actual experience and someone's attitude more than education. Having a deep understanding of psychology can only help with analyzing issues and understanding people's motivations, but there's still going to be a disconnect from academic understanding of a subject, and actual experience and connection with a challenging area of learning.

Or to put it more simply, in my last job as a manager I hired two people who had psychology degrees or majors for a technical/data position on a team, hoping for the very same kind of understanding and empathy with each other that you would think an education in human psychology would provide, and those people turned out to have the most issues with others because of their own lack of real-world experiencing socializing and maintaining relationships with others.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago

It's not psychology, it's attentiveness.