Ask Lemmygrad

993 readers

63 users here now

A place to ask questions of Lemmygrad's best and brightest

founded 2 years ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

Do some ML cosplay as anarchists to circumvent redscare? (lemmygrad.ml)

submitted 17 hours ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

35 comments fedilink hide all child comments

I'm running around in leftist circles a lot since beginning of last year. I first got introduced to socialism through anarchism [stereotype alert] started to read and went pretty straight to communist and then ML pretty recently. The shoe is still new but it fits very well so far.

Whenever I bring up socialism and communism (let alone ML), I get a lot of flak from other leftists and especially from anarchists. Yet, I feel like a couple anarchist agitators sound like MLs just cosplaying. It would make sense as anarc kids are totally open for socialist ideas if one lets out the "science" part which irritates me a lot.

Does anyone have similar experience or is able to explain?

Btw pls let me know if this is inappropriate to ask. I dont mean to offend anyone.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] [email protected] 12 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

That is the reason mostly why i went from anarchism to classic socialism.

I read about anarchism and found huge hierarchies in local groups which were really aggressive when I pointed that out. That gave me the impression that its the same thing but less transparent and easily abused.

I'm sure that is not the case everywhere but thats when I noped out and went classic socialist, etc.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Read Tryanny of Structurelessness by Jo Freeman

It is all about the exact phenomenon you describe, written by an anarchist

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

The absence of hierarchy does not mean the absence of structure. Conceptually, her work is not very rigorous. This is very common among American theorists who claim to be left-wing. Moreover, her theory seems to be seriously challenged if we are to believe the current social protest movements in Europe, in the dawn of surveillance capitalism, which, on the contrary, seems to be much more effective when they are spontaneous, decentralized, and horizontal (the french yellow vests, for example, a movement without structure which has freaked out the power in place like never before since perhaps the events of May 1968)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago

With pleasure! Thanks, comrade. :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

i have no idea what you mean by classic socialism

[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

As in not libertarian socialism (which anarchists are described as in the anarchcist faq). The "dictature of the proletariat" thing. Maybe I'm mixing up terms here. Not sure.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago

You might mean Scientific Socialism, but someone else can correct me.